Tuesday, 2014-03-25

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Stskeepsmorn locusf07:16
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jussimorning Stskeeps and locusf07:18
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jussio/ stephg07:51
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coderuscan you give me link to mer obs qt5?07:57
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locusfcoderus: do you mean this ? https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel08:05
coderusi dont know yet, thanks08:08
coderusmy friend want to add this patch to build: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,8153908:08
locusfhttps://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=qtmultimedia&project=mer-core%3Adevel <- this is probably the one08:11
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coderusthanks :)08:20
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dr_gogeta86hi guys11:20
dr_gogeta86huawei sucks11:20
dr_gogeta86i'll use n9 as backup again11:20
Stskeepswhich device, ooi?11:21
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dr_gogeta86a prerrty piece of ...s..t12:14
dr_gogeta86motherboard burned12:14
jussihuwei is pretty? o.O12:29
netzviehdr_gogeta86: it's the NSA's fault! they did that when spying on huawei :D12:31
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piggzhow is the 3.4 kernel going for n9/50?13:04
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Hurriananyone know is releases.nemomobile.org is up? trying to set up a SDK, mer-core repo update just bombs.13:15
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dr_gogeta86wich nds ... qualcomm cpu fault13:19
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps: are u here ?13:25
dr_gogeta86any way to fix vibrator in jolla phone13:25
dr_gogeta86i need  to kick it a bit13:26
dr_gogeta86before it starts13:26
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dr_gogeta86for porters guys15:28
dr_gogeta86Sfiet_Konstantin: see up link15:28
Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...15:29
Sfiet_Konstantinthx dr_gogeta8615:29
dr_gogeta86make an hackaton tonite15:29
dr_gogeta86i need that app15:29
dr_gogeta86and i'm a bit jelaus about ubuntu phone15:30
dr_gogeta86whitout mer-hybris are nothing15:30
fk_lxartemma: ^ telegram app for ubuntu touch15:30
dr_gogeta86Sfiet_Konstantin: icoderus answered via twitter15:31
dr_gogeta86sähke for sailfish os15:33
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artemmafk_lx: thx!15:50
artemmaI haven't started on telegram for real yet. Doing a preparation step that for me is getting a decent logging framework into use15:50
artemmaonce I finish with the good log4qt demo example, will proceed to Telegram. That is unless somebody does it earlier :)15:51
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dr_gogeta86logger for ?16:03
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artemmadr_gogeta86: for SailfishOS apps :)16:12
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artemmawould work for all things nemo too. Actually for any Qt app too except that I don't bother to repackage the full example for anything else16:13
* artemma just got tired from low configurability and lots of manual commenting-uncommenting of qDebug() and console.log()16:13
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draskoHI all. I am using libconnman-qt to connect to wifi network, and I am getting connmand[344]: src/agent.c:agent_receive_message() agent 0x606938 req 0x6206b816:20
draskoprocess 344: type array 97 not a basic type16:20
draskoany ideas?16:20
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Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: qlogging ?16:34
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: I was searching for a good logging framework for Qt for months if not years (not all the time though). So far log4qt looks like clearly the best and well working16:35
artemmaonly one problem: lack of good documentation and examples - that's exactly what I am doing now16:35
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: https://github.com/amarchen/log4qt-demo-sailfish/tree/develop if you wonder about current progress. A lot of cool stuff I was planning is already working there, some still left and documentation + blog post too16:36
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: don't look bad16:37
artemmaIf I succeed that will be sort of HelloWorld Pro Pro :)16:38
artemmaTo be used as a starter for my future projects such as above mentioned Telegram client16:38
artemmathere are some c/c++ Telegram sources on the web and in absence of a good test set and working debugger, logging is my only hope to understand them :)16:39
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Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: telegram client ? I'm in BTW :)16:41
artemmaSfiet_Konstantin: well, that's my idea. I was looking for a clearly useful, bearable by me and potentially monetizable project. Telegram was the best I could think of16:42
artemmacertainly, it might happen to be too complex for me16:42
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: oooh16:42
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, quite a lot of people want telegram to succed16:42
Sfiet_Konstantinyou have icoderus too16:43
Sfiet_Konstantinand me16:43
Sfiet_Konstantinso basically, best is to join forces16:43
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* artemma doesn't mind collaboration at all, but for me monetization angle is a must, while you guys seem to be more in everything-for-free camp16:44
artemmaand I tend to be very picky and insisitive about UI and UI standards16:44
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artemmaanyway for now it is just an idea, not a single line of code has been written, thoughts about license are in its infancy too. It is quite possible you or coderus will make the tool first16:45
Sfiet_Konstantinartemma: about monetization, I prefer donations16:46
Sfiet_Konstantinnot totally free, but free as beerware16:46
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever for a multi-devs app, donations will not be easily manageable16:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbut we can have several telegram clients as well16:46
netzviehwhy is telegram that well with you? there encryption seems rather obscure and it is/was missing proper authentication so mitm was easily possible16:48
Sfiet_Konstantinnetzvieh: +116:49
Eztrannetzvieh: as it usually seems to be, people aren't moving to it particularly because of security but because that's what others do.16:49
Sfiet_Konstantinbut everybody wants it16:50
bencohs/everybody/a lotta people/16:51
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Sfiet_Konstantinbencoh: everybody, except some obscure geeks like us16:52
netzviehEztran: well true .. though a lot of people think it's secure16:52
artemmanetzvieh: "artemma: I was looking for a clearly useful, bearable by me and potentially monetizable project. Telegram was the best I could think of"16:53
Sfiet_KonstantinI want this https://whispersystems.org/16:53
netzviehI still have high hopes for openwhispersystems, but unless they get their iOS client finished ...16:53
artemmaso I don't really care how secure their servers really are as people find the tool useful and want it16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinnetzvieh: +116:53
Eztranhow secure you need things to be is relative. Users picking Telegram for security may well never have heard of an MitM attack.16:53
netzviehartemma: okay16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinactually, I want the openwhisper thing but integrated in sailfish16:54
artemmanetzvieh: and then if you do want to be secure, with Telegram you actually can have it via end-to-end encrypted chats. Most of people won't care about it, but service popularity will make it possible for *you* to initiate secure chats with them. That is if you do care :)16:55
netzviehEztran: yeah well, they are promising security, so non-geeks might believe them16:55
netzviehartemma: the problem with those is, that they don't authenticate properly, so telegrams servers can mitm (if i recall that correct)16:55
Eztranit'd be incredible if a major manufacturer promised a new IM system for their devices that was actually a decent, non-proprietary, preferably federated system. And then I wake up from that pretty daydream.16:56
netzviehSfiet_Konstantin: yep, but having an ios client will help to get people using it16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinnetzvieh: indeed they can mitm16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinnetzvieh: already android :)16:57
Sfiet_KonstantinEztran: cyanogen16:57
netzviehSfiet_Konstantin: yes ik, but I don't want to have another messenger just to talk to my friends which have iOS devices ;)16:58
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Eztranand there's half the reason people just use popular clients over technically good ones.16:59
Sfiet_Konstantinnetzvieh: I want an integrated messaging system17:00
Sfiet_Konstantinthink telepathy17:00
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netzviehSfiet_Konstantin: that should be possible17:06
netzviehor at least shouldn't be impossible ;)17:06
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locusfaren't Jollas messaging apis closed now?17:26
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draskolpotter, any ideas about process 362: type array 97 not a basic type ?18:25
draskoIt resembles me to this bug: https://lists.connman.net/pipermail/connman/2013-July/014886.html18:26
draskois this taken into account in the libconnman-qt?18:26
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m4g0gSfietKonstantin: hi. Do you plan to add messaging content to friends?18:56
locusfSfietKonstantin: hey, have you started to dig around in the Sailfish SDK?18:59
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SfietKonstantinlocusf: not yet, will do a bit after19:01
SfietKonstantinm4g0g: no, API issues19:01
m4g0gSfietKonstantin: it's a pity19:03
SfietKonstantinm4g0g: tell it to FB19:04
SfietKonstantinthey don't want 3rd parties that provide their user experience19:04
m4g0git's so capitalistically19:05
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locusfbtw QueryDialog on the way on Glacier components19:28
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* stephg grumbles about having 2.5k new emails since leaving the office. grumble grumble sentry grumble19:44
netzviehstephg: do you have to read them all? :D19:55
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stephgnetzvieh, who reads emails these days20:30
stephg^that's part of the problem ;)20:30
netzviehstephg: well I do :D20:33
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stephgdelete all of them20:34
stephgdinner, bbi1020:34
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netzviehwell I don't think my boss would like that ;)20:42
stephg netzvieh nearly all emails I get are from computers :(20:46
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dr_gogeta86hi guys20:55
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alinsledges: hi21:43
alinsledges: any news?21:44
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dr_gogeta86hi sledges21:47
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sledgeshi, soon21:57
ejjomanHi, everyone. Can someone tell me, how I can compile Qt from sources for SailfishOS using mer sdk build engine? I conantly get errors. On my desktop, I can build it without problems.21:59
stephgugh, an hour of my life I won't get back22:00
sledgesejjoman: osc build ?22:01
sledgesstephg: why? :)22:01
stephgparental computer support22:01
stephgwe've all been there22:02
sledgesnot  parental control at  least ;)22:02
stephganyway is done now, time to start playing :)22:02
ejjomansledges: don't blame me, but what means ocs? :D22:03
sledgesmer obs cmdline tool22:04
stephgon an entirely related note, was good to meet you on Fri sledges22:04
sledgesyou can rebuild qt remotely: build.merproject.org22:04
stephgthanks for the beer, and I hope I wasn't too drunk22:04
sledgesstephg: likewise!22:04
ejjomanI used http://qt-project.org/wiki/Building-Qt-5-from-Git to get the sources and try to build it locally22:04
sledgesdunk, who?22:04
sledges :) lol22:05
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ejjomansledges: is there any beginner's how-to use mer obs? I never used this :/22:06
sledgeson wiki22:06
sledgesim afk, cant link22:07
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ejjomanAh, I think I found it. Thank you. But is there no way to build it locally?22:08
sledgesand webui is interactive a bit anyway :)22:08
sledgestheres always a way, if  theres will22:09
sledgesask sfiet_konstantin22:09
sledgeshes here tomorrow22:09
sledgestry using mb222:09
sledgesinstead of mb build22:10
ejjomanOkay, I will try that :) Thank you.22:14
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alinsledges: define soon22:27
sledges#define soon22:27
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netzviehAs defined by Blizzard Entertainment: "Soon" does not imply any particular date, time, decade, century, or millennia in the past, present, and certainly not the future. "Soon" shall make no contract or warranty between Blizzard Entertainment and the end user. "Soon" will arrive some day, Blizzard does guarantee that "soon" will be here before the end of time. Maybe. Do not make plans based on "soon" as Blizzard will not be liable for any misuse, use, or22:30
netzvieh even casual glancing at "soon."  :)22:30
netzviehs/Blizzard/Jolla/ ;)22:30
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sledgesanother answer is Valve Time, but jolla has been doing better than that :)22:32
netzviehHL3 confirmed!!!!!!!! :D22:32
* stephg still patiently waiting for hl322:32
* netzvieh hasn't played HL1 or 2 :D22:33
stephgnetzvieh, you're missing out22:33
netzviehbut i started black mesa :>22:33
* sledges agrees22:33
sledgeshl2 sux tho ;)22:33
netzviehstephg: problem is, there are so many games. so many games i own :D and not enough time22:33
netzviehI'll probably play it, when there is a release date for hl322:34
sledgesand blue shift pls ktxby22:34
sledgeswell, but some games are classics ;)22:34
sledgeslike gta222:34
netzviehlike c&c ra :)22:35
sledgesuc ;)22:35
* netzvieh is too young to have played most of them :D22:35
dr_gogeta86hi guys22:36
dr_gogeta86but lua  5.222:36
dr_gogeta86is avaible on mer ?22:36
sledgesnever too late, is like listening to classical music :)622:36
sledgesdr_gogeta86: erlang got compiled recently22:36
stephg^ what he said22:36
dr_gogeta86i need lua 5.222:37
dr_gogeta86for telegram22:37
sledgesif not as standard, you can fing lua in obs i think and sideload22:37
netzviehsledges: true, but there are so many good games, and good books, and good tv shows and most of all good food i want to cook :D and time is rather limited :(22:37
stephgditch the tv ;)22:38
sledgesnetzvieh: agree, and i already gave up many of those :)22:38
sledges^ what he said22:38
netzviehstephg: only watching from DVD/Blu-Ray ;) there are some really great things I don't want to miss :D22:39
netzviehceterum censeo my day needs at least 48h22:40
sledgesor watch fouble speed22:40
netzviehsledges: well my "listening comprehension" is good, but not that good ;) and english is somehow more quiet than german ;)22:41
sledgesvol up22:41
sledgesanyhow, jokes away :)22:41
sledgestime to work a bit like lullaby22:42
netzviehso, when do we see RC Public?22:42
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sledges /join #soon22:42
* stephg sticks kettle on22:43
dr_gogeta86sorry for mu noobines22:44
dr_gogeta86but set a configure properties into qt creator project22:44
dr_gogeta86i go22:48
stephgnight dr_gogeta8622:48
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