Tuesday, 2014-04-08

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juicemekrnlyng, morning05:42
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juicemejust tried your kernel on my permanently-serail-console-attached device, and guess what, results are same as yesterday when running my own build of the 3.5.3 kernel: it won't boot so far as to give a single line of output on the console!05:44
juicemeso, there is some difference between the devices, my "normal" N9/64G with no special thingies can boot the 3.5.3 kernels OK, but my "debug" N9/16G cannot. Go figure??05:45
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locusfmorning07:55
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locusfdamn oc-curves16:00
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locusfand anova calculations16:05
locusfI wanna code some Glacier instead :p16:06
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: anova :/16:12
locusfthe sums arent hard though16:12
locusfI just hate the blocks and latin squares that follow16:13
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faenillocusf, are oc-curves related to roc-curves?16:51
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locusffaenil: afaik no16:55
faenilok16:55
faenilthey I don't know what you're talking about :D16:55
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locusfits about choosing the right sample size given a risk level17:04
locusffaenil: did you choose a thesis subject yet :) ?17:07
faenillocusf, oh I see, then yes I think they're correlated17:07
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faenillocusf, no, haven't chosen yet :/ can't get to decide between what profs offered...there's none which interests me a lot :/17:08
locusffaenil: oh :/17:09
locusfI was pretty lucky to just choose a subject, but now I've grown to hate it a bit :D17:12
locusfmy thesis will be my summer work too :p17:16
locusfboring but gotta do whats gotta be done17:17
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faenillocusf, you mean they'll pay you for it?17:21
faenilor that you won't have time for anything else :)17:21
locusffaenil: yeah at least the state does17:21
faenil:O :O17:22
locusffaenil: my faculty might too but then I gotta finish it by 3 months17:22
faenilcool...17:22
faenilwe get nothing...17:22
faenil3 months total?17:22
locusfyeah17:22
faenilah...I guess we have really different systems then :)17:22
locusf600 eur each, but its hard to get this benefit17:22
faenilmy thesis is 6 months if you're lucky enough...but for most people it easily reaches 8-1217:23
locusfand I'm not really graduating yet, I still have my minors to do17:23
faenilI see17:23
locusfyeah its not unheard of that theres a thesis for 10 years here in finland17:23
faenil10 years? XD17:23
locusfthere are no strict deadlines you see17:23
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faenilah well sure17:23
locusfjust based on the individuals own time management17:24
faenilespecially if you also get money17:24
faenilbut if you don't get anything, then it's very different17:24
locusfyeah if you get the benefit then theres a deadline17:24
faenil10 years thesis means your parents will have to pay for that17:24
locusfor go to a job17:24
locusfwhich usually happens17:24
faenilyeah17:25
faeniland that turns 10y thesis into 20y :d17:25
locusfyeah :D17:25
locusfor infinite thesis17:25
faenil:)17:25
locusfdeadly thesis17:25
faenillocusf, but what's the avg duration of a master thesis in finland?17:26
locusffaenil: I have no clue17:26
locusfmy dean might know17:26
locusfit depends on the university too17:26
faenilnot even more or less?17:26
locusfyep17:26
locusfno clue whatsoever17:27
faenil:)17:27
locusfmy instructors thesis took 3 years17:27
locusfone guy had 2 years17:27
locusfone guy did in 3 weeks17:27
locusflike Stskeeps did :) but he didn't do it in Finland17:28
faenil3 weeks? that's a dream17:28
faenilget done with uni and start working17:28
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locusf13 hours a day for three weeks surely gets something done lol17:28
faenilthat would not even be enough for  the last exam I did :D17:29
faenil(or maybe :) )17:29
locusfoh :)17:30
faenilI mean, even just writing the thesis itself, that takes a lot of time17:30
faenilit's usually 80+ pages, it's not something you write in a week :/17:30
locusfoh you have that limit17:30
locusfwe have 40 pages and its good enough17:30
faenilno, no limit17:30
faenilbut it's usually 80+, and 30+ for bachelor17:31
faenilyeah I think it's stupid17:31
locusflol we have 20 for bachelor17:31
faenilbecause people start filling pages with BS17:31
locusfit is surely17:31
locusfI already am :D17:31
faenilbecause they have to reach that "cultural" limit17:31
faenilI meant 80+ is stupid :D17:32
locusfyeah I got that17:32
faenilok :D17:32
locusfI agree with that17:32
faenilpeople start filling it with code as well17:32
faenilI mean...gah17:32
locusfyeah I was just thinking about that too, putting in some code :D17:33
locusfall Glacier QML sources, easy pages17:33
faeniloh right your thesis is on Nemo :O :O :O :O17:33
locusfyep17:33
faenilI don't get to choose the subject :/17:33
faenilI could think about doing my thesis at your uni though :D17:34
faeniland do it on Nemo as well, ahah :)17:34
locusflol :D17:34
faenilthat would be doable, but getting the burocracy right for that stuff requires a lot of time17:34
locusfwhat kind of subjects did you get from your professors?17:34
locusfyeah I can imagine17:35
faenilnot easy to explain in chat :/17:35
locusfI remember one guy doing his thesis on Qt and had code about his own music player in the thesis itself17:35
faenil:รน917:35
faenil:)17:36
faenilonly one prof knows Qt here :(17:36
locusfnobody in my faculty knows what I'm doing17:38
locusfmy instructor hasn't even read my thesis on its current state yet17:38
locusfso I have no idea what I should write there17:39
faenilehehe :) yeah17:40
faenilat my bachelor he read the thesis 2 days before my graduation day17:41
faenilso I could not even print the good version of it17:41
faenil(which is expensive though, so at least I saved money :D )17:41
faenilas the good version requires 24h+ for stuff like glue, sewing, etc17:42
locusfoh the hifi :)17:43
locusfmy bachelors was just printer printed17:43
locusfwith a stapler in the corner17:43
faenilbut I have to admit that wasn't the first time he read it, that was the time when he read the final revision17:43
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faeniloh :)17:43
Stskeeps6 weeks, fwiw17:48
Stskeepsnothing to be proud of, but it was a passing grade + a few17:48
locusfoh 6 weeks17:48
locusfI think 3 weeks is possible only in Finland17:49
faenil6 weeks as well, I think17:49
faenilI meant, it wouldn't be possible here, at least17:50
faenilStskeeps, what did you work on, out of curiosity?17:50
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Stskeepsfaenil: http://cs.staff.au.dk/news-events/news/show-news/artikel/masters-thesis-examination-carsten-v-munk/17:51
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StskeepsImproving Rehabilitation using Computer Vision and Mobility Detection17:53
faenilStskeeps, many of the proposed subjects in my case were quite closely related to yours :O17:53
faenil*are*17:53
Stskeepshrm17:53
Stskeepsuniversity of pisa..17:53
Stskeepsright?17:53
faenilyep17:53
Stskeepsi remember roughly about them having a bit of healthcare related stuff17:54
Stskeeps:P17:54
faenil:)17:54
faenilalways about motion detection and motived rehabilitation17:55
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Stskeepsnod17:55
faenilfor children, or for old people, to prevent mental and physical illness, or for rehabilitation17:56
Stskeepsthere's a lot of money in this kind of stuff as state never has any idea what it costs17:56
Stskeeps:P17:57
faenilahaha17:57
Stskeepsit's even worse than mobie17:57
Stskeeps+l17:57
faenilbut that's not interesting as long as I don't get anything :p17:57
faenilwere you paid as well?17:58
Stskeepsi was working 5 years in a mix of mobile positioning, pervasive computing and pervasive healthcare17:58
Stskeepsso, it was part of my work17:58
faenilI see17:59
faenilwould you recommend a thesis about that stuff?17:59
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Stskeepsyes, but talk to real people having the problems18:00
Stskeepspair up with a etnographer if at all possible18:00
faenilmhm18:00
Stskeepsi had the excuse that my wife has a hip issue; so i could use her as a real test subject18:00
faenilI see18:01
Stskeepsyou get to play with a lot of fancy technology to accomplish it.18:01
Stskeeps:P18:01
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faenilthat has a 6-8months estimate18:02
faenilI see...18:02
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locusfI wish my thesis had a good value to humanity :p18:13
w00tI wish I had a thesis (..no, wait, I don't)18:13
w00t:-D18:13
locusflol18:15
stephgevenink18:17
Stskeepsthesis is good.. for warming up a room18:17
* Stskeeps burnt his18:17
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w00tStskeeps: ..really..? :P18:41
Stskeepsreally18:41
Stskeepsall ze notes18:41
tbrI wrote mine in what was essentially a week. not much to burn ;)18:41
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* sledges learned to use latex during writing of thesis20:53
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