Friday, 2014-12-05

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filippzmorning06:17
sandsmarkmoin moin06:18
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locusfmorning06:49
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locusfmy first ever blind port: https://twitter.com/marianoflotron/status/540607583124717569?s=0906:55
locusfie. I don't have a nexus 5 to test with06:55
locusfbut he asked and I just delivered the adaptation06:55
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locusfthis is of course based on situ, vgrade, alin, dmt, sledges hard work06:57
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situlocusf: Awesome!07:02
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iekku_locusf, cool!07:27
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Morpog_PCthe nexus 5 screenshot tshows me the urge for U-scaling :D07:51
stephghappy friday nemo-peeps07:59
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iekku_stephg, same to you08:23
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locusftbr: hey12:20
locusftbr: could you create a mako directory for me on devaamo and link me the hammerhead as well for nemo releases12:20
locusf?12:20
tbrok12:22
locusftbr: thanks :)12:23
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tbrlocusf: you should have access to those now in the SFA directory. you might need to log in again to get that12:26
locusftbr: ok thanks12:27
locusfI get a permission denied on scp though12:28
tbrlocusf: sorry, was missing one chown12:29
locusftbr: ok np :)12:30
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SK_workpvuorela: ping15:19
SK_workare you the maliit expert right ?15:19
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filippzlocusf: I'm playing with ngfd settings and bunch of effectes there refer to ivt (haptic definitions) files - problem is that we don't have any of those in any of our packages AFAIK15:55
locusffilippz: hmm ok15:56
locusfI wonder where those come from then15:56
filippzI'm not sure if we should just package files from Harmattan or even from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8594015:57
filippzAlso we do have sound files installed (sound-theme-freedesktop) just ngfd doesn't use them. I don't know why we have that package in our ks15:59
locusfit was in the original packages list16:04
locusfthus in the working patterns16:04
filippzon Harmattan ivt files come from  m-ringtones & meego-ui-tones - can't find license info for them ATM16:06
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silver_hookSilly question from a guy ...but is anyone working on a menstrual calendar yet?16:27
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stephgthere were some for harmattan iirc16:28
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silver_hookstephg: I could not find any...16:38
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SK_worksilver_hook: a menstrual calendar is fun16:43
SK_worksilver_hook: are you writing one ?16:44
silver_hookSK_work: Nope, i suck at coding ...but it sounds simple and useful enough if noone else wants to do it.16:44
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SK_worksilver_hook: do you want to learn ?16:45
SK_workcoding :)16:45
silver_hookSK_work: it *would* be fun, but i do not have time for it until may or so...16:46
silver_hookotherwise, sure16:46
SK_workOo16:46
SK_workok16:46
SK_workping me again in may :)16:46
silver_hookok, will do ;)16:52
silver_hookthanks16:52
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filippzlocuf: it seems Jolla doesn't use immvibe plugin of ngfd anymore - they moved all to ffmemless- so I'll skip those ivt files, and use ffmemless effects :)17:02
filippztrouble is they have NGF_PULLEY NGF_PWROFF and NGF_TOH that are not upstreamed to ngfd, so I'll just copy some existing ones for now17:03
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phaeronfilippz: who is upstream ?17:04
phaeronother than us17:05
filippzyup we are, but downstream is Jolla - and those 3 NGF_* are not here :)17:06
phaeronwhere are are you looking ?17:06
filippzhttps://github.com/nemomobile/ngfd/blob/master/data/plugins.d/ffmemless.ini17:07
phaeronwe use the same repo btw17:07
filippzam I missing something - where is NGF_PWROFF defined then?17:07
phaeronmaybe a plugin ?17:08
filippzit's mentioned in /usr/share/ngfd/events.d/pwroff.ini from ngfd-settings-sailfish17:09
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phaeronso just a settings file17:09
filippzah, yes you are right, ffmemless.ini is there also :)17:09
filippzand it's different than the one on github17:10
phaeronyeah our settings may differ17:10
filippzI guess it's not OK to use those files in nemo settings package?17:11
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locusffilippz: okay17:15
phaeronfilippz: should be ok17:18
filippzphaeron: thanks!17:19
filippzIMHO we need all the files copied from ngfd-settings-sailfish and modify them to use sounds from meegotouch-theme-darko17:19
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pvuorelaSK_work: pong, yes.17:30
SK_workpvuorela: maybe we should move17:31
SK_workto #sailfishos17:31
pvuorelasure.17:31
SK_workbecause I would love to know how input handling is done from maliit to aliendalvik17:31
SK_workand if you know about external keyboard integration part17:31
SK_workkimmoli: ^17:31
pvuorelaSK_work: aliendalvik just implements the same maliit d-bus interface qt input context plugin does.17:32
SK_workhum ...17:33
SK_workmaliit dbus interface ?17:33
SK_workqt input context plugin ?17:33
SK_workso, to ask the question more straigntforwarly17:33
SK_workhow is the input arch done ATM, and how / where would you put the physical kbd integration17:33
SK_work(speaking for the TOHKBD)17:34
pvuorelaSK_work: so, there's maliit-server that runs the UI for virtual keyboards, it connects to application with p2p d-bus, application side integrates to qt with a QPlatformInputContext plugin.17:35
SK_workok17:35
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SK_workso 2 entry points: 1. QPlatformInputContext, 2. maliit17:35
pvuorelaSK_work: physical keyboard likely has some lower level handling, normal key events generated on the window system level.17:36
SK_workmaybe a 3rd: libinput or wayland level ?17:36
SK_workdo you know if we can transfer some low level handling key-press to maliit-server ?17:37
pvuorelaSK_work: maliit input context plugin can then also forward key events to maliit server which can implement more complex handling. like error correction on words, exotic input methods and such.17:37
SK_workand if maliit-server can operate in a vkb-less environnement ?17:37
pvuorelayea, maliit has special mode for handling hardware keyboard, those can even have some UI parts if wanted.17:38
SK_workpvuorela: can you give me some pointers on how to do this ?17:38
pvuorelaSK_work: if you've seen N950 keyboard handling, it got key events to qt plugin, forwarded those to maliit, and maliit sent back composed input. did things like different characters for long press on keys etc.17:38
SK_workpvuorela: ha interesting17:39
SK_workbut I have never seen N950 keyboard handling17:39
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SK_workI think that this will interest kimmoli a lot :)17:39
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pvuorelaso, code for maliit framework side is there: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework17:40
pvuorelapossibly interesting bits: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework/blob/master/maliit-framework/src/mimhwkeyboardtracker.cpp17:41
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SK_workpvuorela: the sending keys part to maliit-server + compose management would be interesting too17:42
SK_workif you know where to look at ?17:42
pvuorelahttps://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework/blob/master/maliit-framework/input-context/minputcontext.cpp17:42
pvuorelathat's the qt application plugin side. filterEvent() etc.17:43
SK_workyou mean QPlatformInputContext ?17:44
pvuorelayea.17:44
SK_workthanks17:44
SK_workok17:44
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filippzphaeron: (maybe you know) seems that canberra plugin has hardcoded theme name (jolla-ambient) - is this expected to be configurable (dconf) at some point?17:44
pvuorelaSK_work: the hw keyboard detection with contextkit was working to some extend, but had some problems i haven't gotten time to look into.17:44
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SK_workok17:45
SK_workpvuorela: well, this can "wait"17:45
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pvuorelaSK_work: key composition, that can be done then on maliit plugin side, i.e. jolla-keyboard or maliit-keyboard.17:47
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SK_workso you have to expect that jolla-keyboard (in this case) exports an API for composition and key sending ?17:48
pvuorelaSK_work: well, jolla-keyboard should rather internally handle the input.17:49
SK_workpvuorela: what if we need to support our own layout ?17:50
pvuorelaSK_work: there's also possibility to add a separate hw keyboard handler plugin to maliit-server. though that code hasn't necessarily been run lately that much :)17:50
pvuorelaSK_work: own layout likely goes to wayland level.17:50
SK_workshould we have a daemon that perform transalation and send you the preformatted letter ?17:50
SK_workhum17:50
SK_workabout the key-presses, how can we send them to the jolla-keyboard maliit server ?17:52
SK_workcompositing and layout can be another question for later17:52
pvuorelaapplication receives key events in normal windowing system manner. qt input context plugin can do the forwarding from there.17:53
SK_workhum, I'm a bit lost17:53
pvuorelafor basic support maliit is not really needed. that's more for the advanced stuff of doing something more than keypress -> insert character.17:53
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SK_workpvuorela: maliit is only needed for composing then ?17:54
pvuorelaye.17:54
SK_workok17:54
SK_worknow, how it is done on low level wayland to send key-presses ?17:55
pvuorelaor well, suppose there could be a maliit plugin that takes input from anywhere. but if possible, could be nicer if application just got normal key pressses with wayland.17:55
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SK_workthanks for the info :)17:56
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pvuorelaSK_work: on that level i don't know too much.17:57
SK_workI guess it is about libinput and stuff17:58
SK_workkimmoli did make something work iirc17:58
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kimmoliwut19:01
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