Friday, 2015-03-20

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stephghappy cloudy friday everyone07:38
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locusfhey all07:57
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hedayathi all08:16
hedayat:)08:16
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kjokinie1PR updated https://github.com/nemomobile/hw-ramdisk/pull/608:28
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hedayatIs there any document about Nemo/Mer architecture, something like this about Ubuntu Touch: http://elinux.org/images/c/cf/Ubuntu_Touch_Internals_1.pdf08:31
hedayat?08:31
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locusfthere is but its only for sailfish08:31
hedayatlocusf: Should not be much different from Nemo, right? May I ask for the link? :P08:32
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locusfhedayat:08:32
locusfhttps://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png08:33
hedayatlocusf: thanks a lot, sorry for my laziness08:33
locusfhedayat: np :)08:34
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hedayatIs there any more detailed view? e.g. which services/packages are responsible for camera handling?08:52
hedayatIs UbuntuTouch more coupled with Android than Nemo/Sailfish?08:53
hedayatIf I've understood correctly, they use a small Android image in an LXC container as their core HAL.08:53
hedayatHow much is it different from the approach in Nemo/Sailfish apart from using a container?08:54
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hedayathmm... I'm going to read SFOS HADK, probably a good starting point to read.08:59
locusfyes ubuntu touch is more involved to android, sfos just starts android init from systemd and lets libhybris handle the rest09:03
hedayatlocusf: thx09:03
hedayatlocusf: oops, sorry, what is the 'android init'? I thought that SFOS uses android drivers (shared libraries) through libhybris. but apparently, some android services are also run, correct? And they are bionic binaries?09:06
locusfhedayat: well the android init is as its says, the initscript that android needs in order to operate eg. ril and other stuff. They are run from /system partition, just like normal android09:08
hedayatAha, OK.09:08
locusfnice my thesis is OK for my other instructor, just waiting for the final say from my primary instructor on it :)09:13
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hedayatlocusf: great, good luck!09:14
locusfthen the final checkup from the language office and then its hopefully all done :)09:14
locusfhedayat: thanks :)09:14
locusfsoon I'll have time to contribute to Nemo, hopefully for the better part of entire April unless something else radical happens09:16
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faenillocusf: great to hear! good luck with the thesis mate!09:52
faeniland great that you'll have more time for Nemo :)09:52
locusffaenil: thanks :)09:53
faenilI have to plan my days better to fit Nemo in as well :)09:53
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Ponchalehi people15:12
Ponchalehow are you15:12
locusfhello15:12
Ponchalehello locusf how are you15:12
locusfPonchale: all good thus far, thanks for asking :)15:13
Ponchalethat makes me happy, locusf have a question regarding nemo15:13
locusfsure, go ahead :)15:14
Ponchalewell the truth is many but are related15:15
Ponchale the first is how I get the source code Nemo to start their own edition since my company wants to create an OS and then we found this, just as we collaborate with Nemo with this great project15:16
Ponchale and as all documentation about about compiling the edition for a new graphical interface that will fight and give you fight to be free and Nemo also can implement the15:18
locusf60% of source code is here https://github.com/nemomobile/ and other 35% https://git.merproject.org/ and rest 5% is here https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/15:18
tbrand 100% is built using build.merproject.org15:18
locusfdocumentation, well thats sore15:18
locusfyes indeed15:19
tbrPonchale: what device is this OS for?15:19
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Ponchaledownload yesterday about files Wiki for the N9 and N95015:19
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Ponchalebecause we went to La Jolla to propose an alliance to be partners but unfortunately it did not have the courtesy to say we did not gave no answer15:21
Ponchale The devices we manufacture them in due time but for now we will do Nexus, Nokia and thanks to the partnership we have with Huawei what we could implement these mobile15:22
tbrah, so mobile phones?15:22
PonchaleMobile phones, tablets clock work ie the original idea but first starting with Meego mobile15:23
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HelloBotsPonchale, unfortunately it did not have the courtesy to say we did not gave no answer15:25
HelloBotsPonchale, what does that mean15:25
HelloBotsPonchale, nokia still makes phone15:26
HelloBots?15:26
tbrHelloBots: He contacted Jolla and they didn't reply yet, as he's in the big "process MWC related contacts" pile. At least that's what I understand from his previous visits to other channels.15:26
HelloBotsoh ok15:27
Ponchaledownload yesterday about files Wiki for the N9 and N950  of the class if and if you do not have to have a few that we could send to manufacture again15:27
tbrPonchale: what sort of production volume are you planning for?15:28
PonchaleHello're right15:28
tbranyway, I have to leave now, bbl.15:28
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Ponchalepotentially have 7000 customers in less than two months15:29
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Ponchalethis in one city and rapid expansion possibilities15:32
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tigeliPonchale: whom did you contact from Jolla?15:36
Ponchale I got in touch with Jolla15:36
PonchaleI did presentandome as founder and director of development and innovation of Colombian software companies EasyLabs15:37
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locusfPonchale: what exactly is your goal with Nemo Mobile? To port your own version of it to new devices?15:45
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Ponchalegood locusf we want to develop our own mobile OS that can be integrated with our services LOT, RealSense among others, will manufacture our own cell but a first step to start going to launch our teams nexus nokia OS and huawei15:51
locusfyou have a huge undertaking to start then15:52
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Ponchalewe have great support from Intel and Microsoft and have already initiated conversation with them to support this operating system which would create a strong link between NemoMobile and EasyLabs15:54
Ponchaleour website is http://easylabs.org our fan page is https://www.facebook.com/easylabs15:55
tigeliI don't see why would microsoft support nemomobile in any way15:55
tigelithey prety much have their own agenda with the wp15:55
Ponchalehe would not be serious to support Nemomobile EasyLabs and EasyLabs would support Nemo15:56
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Ponchalewhy I'm talking to the community Nemo both have their colabacion to us and we to the community15:57
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tigelisomehow I have a feeling that google translate is being used..16:32
tbrtigeli: reeeeeaaally, you don't say. :D16:32
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Ponchale because boys are wrong17:48
faenil? :D17:49
faenilPonchale: hello17:49
SK_Sailfish?17:49
Ponchalehi faenil17:49
Ponchalehow are you17:50
Ponchaleyou are admin channel?17:50
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faenilPonchale: yes but don't take me as a VIP :P just another contributor to Nemo :)17:50
Ponchaleok17:52
Ponchaleyou think what I'm treating you to expose the community? faenil17:52
faenilPonchale: I think I would understand Spanish better :)17:53
Ponchaleque piensas sobre lo que le expongo a la comunidad Nemo?17:54
faenilPonchale: it's great that there is someone interested in bringing Nemo to mobile devices :)17:55
faenilPonchale: and it's great that you want to join the Sailfish Alliance (if I understood correctly)17:55
hedayatPonchale: I'm afraid that 2 months is too short to prepare a new OS for phones, specially if you don't have special support from hardware vendors. But if you have enough manpower & support from hardware vendors, it can be possible.17:56
Ponchalecreeme que tener una gran oportunidad de crecer tanto en toda latino america como europa nosotros podemos proporcionar terminales moviles tablets y mucho mas y tener nuestros propios usuarios17:57
faenilPonchale: that is cool to hear17:58
hedayatPonchale: but if you don't have such support, it'd be hard to predict how much time is needed to get hardware fully working in a non-Android OS.17:58
Ponchaleaun no nos hemos dispuesto17:58
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Ponchalefabricar nuestros propios terminales17:58
uuhimhereisnt nokia defunct17:58
faenilI've got to go, be back later o/17:59
Ponchalepor tal motivo tenemos los recursos de como adquirir terminales moviles nokia n9 n900 n950 nexus17:59
hedayatfaenil: I was going to ask you to translate a summary :P17:59
hedayat:D17:59
Ponchaley gracias a nuestra alianza con huawei podemos empezar a comercializar estos dispositivos antes de crear los propios17:59
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Ponchaletrust us and work on joint both contribute to free software like throwing a different product where privacy and user safety is paramount18:05
tbrPonchale: something for you to consider: It Jolla created the phone in 6 months. They had a super team. They worked around the clock. It came out OK. But it wasn't perfect. 1.0 came 4 months later.18:05
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tbrNemo is maybe in the state that Sailfish was at the beginning of the 6 months.18:06
SK_Sailfishtbr: yeah. now need the super team18:07
Ponchaletbr, for that reason we will start first to market phones nokia, huawei nenux and then and background hiremos developing our own terminals18:07
Ponchalesorry nexus18:08
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tbrTaking "a phone" (hardware) and customizing it with Sailfish, would still take several months.18:09
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hedayatPonchale: If you're going to market N9 with MeeGo (assuming you've access to them!), and Nexus/Huawei with Android; and then start developing your own OS; then it's OK.18:10
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Ponchaletrust us and work on joint both contribute to free software like throwing a different product where privacy and user safety is paramount18:12
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hedayatbut if you want to market them with a Nemo based OS in 2 months, that's hard.18:12
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tbrthat's impossible18:13
tbrWe would be very happy to work with you on improving Nemo. That is interesting.18:14
tbrWe are just saying that 2 months for a product are not possible.18:14
hedayatPonchale: there is no need for others to 'trust' you: contribution/use is open for everyone. contributions are assessed individually.18:14
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tbrPonchale: If you want to experiment with Nemo on "Huawei" or "Nexus", then we'll help you.18:16
tbrwell, maybe he reads logs18:16
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tbrderptastic18:18
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