Saturday, 2015-03-21

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Ponchalehi people02:36
Ponchale have thought about what communicates a few hours ago?02:37
vgradePonchale: \o, most folks are sleeping02:54
PonchaleWow ok sorry02:57
locusfwell some :)03:09
locusfI just woke up :p03:09
vgradelocusf: morning03:11
vgradetime for my bed, nn03:11
locusfvgrade: morning03:11
locusfPonchale: so yes, we have those experimental images tbr was talking about, for nexus 5 at least03:28
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Ponchalelocusf03:28
locusfhttp://images.devaamo.fi/nemo/hammerhead/nemo-mer-hammerhead-devel.zip03:30
locusffrom december 503:30
PonchalePlease if they agree to advise how we might do something that benefits you03:30
locusfoh sorry, I was thinking the other way around :)03:33
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locusfcurrently our efforts are lined out as starting to develop a "stable" image for a known phone model which has good hardware adaptation support03:34
locusfhttp://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2015-03-08.log.html#t2015-03-08T15:50:1703:35
locusfour head designer gave us this roadmap a couple of weeks ago03:35
locusfhomescreen complementary applications is already there but it needs better support for "dual-booting" homescreen on the Jolla device03:36
Ponchalewe could develop a stable version in joint03:36
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locusfsdk is huge task as we currently don't have any03:37
Ponchalecode already taking full code where it is attached mer nemo and ux03:37
locusfreference android device could be hammerhead as its the "officially" supported Android running SailfishOS device, it gains updates to its adaptation code from Jolla03:38
locusftablet move is also quite far to the future, but we have a good start on the galaxy tab 203:39
locusfsorry for being too verbose here, just airing my ideas that have been brewing :)03:41
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Ponchalelocuf we have the ability to mount the app store both technical as knowledge and all03:43
Ponchale cloud services among others, we may support nemo bringing the terminals locusf03:46
locusfwell app store and cloud services are a little out of scope for us03:48
Ponchale we have our OpenStack cloud also collaborated with them in Colombia are an innovative company and the market is increasingly noting03:48
locusfwe are somewhat indie and our apps only exist in repositories03:48
Ponchale and have the contacts for talks with companies of mobile phones03:50
Ponchale example Claro, Movistar, Tigo, including first in Latin America03:51
locusfyes03:56
PonchaleWe can similarly improve the architecture to prevent users from damaging equipment as meego architecture is based on user levels which could be a problem if not all well parameterized obviously well planned04:00
PonchalePlease locusf comparteme the information, if it's light available where Nemo already attached encounters MER and UX we do our planning and improvements we share and contribute in code and as founder and director of development would manage also an economic support project04:03
Ponchaleif they see necessary we could sign a partnership agreement but ethically support open source and therefore would not be necessary because keeping my word but if they see necessary to do what we would do without much problem04:04
locusfsorry, I can't make such decisions on behalf of the entire Nemo project :)04:10
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PonchalePlease locusf comparteme the information, if it's light available where Nemo already attached encounters MER and UX we do our planning and improvements we share and contribute in code04:12
PonchaleI locusf you can share that information?04:15
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locusfwell homescreen is the first target for contributions04:17
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home04:19
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-dialer <- another04:20
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo <- most important of them all04:20
Ponchalesound funny but because the technical part as IDE open the projects etc etc04:21
Ponchale where we find?04:21
locusfwell you can use sailfish sdk04:21
Ponchalesubsequently to the screen to be more continuing integration with the core where the core encontamos Nemo and Mer?04:23
locusfsorry I don't understand?04:24
locusfencontamos?04:25
Ponchaleafter modification of the Home screen where we find the core of Nemo and Mer and integrate that home screen them and all is information is to be taking all information and put it on our servers for Monday start planning04:26
locusfah04:28
locusfyou need to move that fast04:28
locusfwell first stop is https://build.merproject.org/04:29
locusfI'll give you a kickstart file which you can use for n904:29
locusfhmm04:30
Ponchaleif all you need to move fast because since we know where to start with the sdk sail is modified and starts with the home screen, but after that following?04:30
locusfor do you want n5 to test with?04:30
locusfwell to integrate it all together and boot something you need the kickstart file04:30
Ponchaleok thanks04:30
locusfI just need your target hardware to make it real04:31
Ponchale us in the coming days we get about 200 terminals including N9 N900 N950 Nexus 4 and Nexus 7 we could send 100 to the community04:31
locusfwow ok04:33
locusfI don't have a nexus 4 to test with04:34
locusfand currently no environment to set up a nexus 4 device building04:34
Ponchaleapproximately two weeks have the locusf terminals when you say we want to help and contribute seriously, if they wish locusf you give me the address where they should arrive and reach that destination04:35
locusfas I said, I can't make such decisions myself on the communitys behalf :/ sorry04:37
Ponchalegood courtesy and by way of thanks we can send you a terminal if desired04:39
Ponchaleif you do not mind locusf please send me you need for nokia range, N9 N900 and N95004:41
PonchaleI'm already seeing the code of the home screen04:41
locusfhttps://raw.githubusercontent.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks04:43
locusfthats what you can use for n9/5004:46
Ponchalewill be a long night hahahaha04:47
locusfheheh :)04:48
PonchaleProvide me your email locusf and thus remain in direct communication04:51
Ponchale if you want us as we report the changes you and your those you report to the community04:52
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faenilwoah, productive night eh locusf? =)10:26
faenilgood morning people10:26
locusffaenil: to say the least :)10:26
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lbtso .. patterns on Mer OBS10:59
lbtI'm in a position to look at that for a bit - any projects need them ?10:59
lbtlocusf: faenil ^^10:59
faenilwell, we have to recreate all the patterns for nemo11:00
faenillbt: morning :)11:00
lbtmorning :)11:00
locusfyeah good morning :)11:00
locusfI wonder if the old patterns still work as they are now cross repos11:01
lbtyep - lets pick one and see if I can get the automation going again11:01
faenillbt: but don't we have to wait for the merge to be finished before this?11:01
lbtno11:01
faenilmmm ok11:01
locusfwell the packages are already merged11:02
lbtthis is simply the machinery11:02
faenillocusf: yeah there are packages missing in mer-core:devel, but yeah11:02
lbtif you have nothing needing it atm then I'll have to go make some test rpm and such11:02
faenilwell, the ideal as locusf says is take the old patterns and just transfer them11:03
lbtso I need a project which has a patterns rpm being built in it ... :)11:03
faenilI don't remember how patterns work...don't know where to send you :/11:04
faenilnemo:devel:mw?11:04
locusfhttps://build.merproject.org/package/show/nemo:devel:ux/patterns-nemo-ux11:04
faenilthanks11:05
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-ux/nemo-ux-wayland.yaml11:05
locusfhttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/tree/patterns-mw11:05
lbtlocusf: ty11:05
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locusflbt: are those patterns enough now or should we do the hw adaptation ones as well?11:39
lbtthat's enough11:39
locusfok11:39
lbtI need to get one working :)11:39
lbtit's been well over a year since I've looked at automation11:40
lbtand even longer since I've looked at pattern side (if ever)11:40
piggzits a quiet day ... may aswell charge the N9 and see how SF runs on it11:43
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locusfI've been helping Ponchale out for 7 hours now12:11
locusfhe now knows how to build packages and images12:11
locusfout of a mer sdk vm in windows12:11
locusfhad to really start from the ground up12:11
locusfgood thing is he documented it, we could have a wiki contribution coming12:12
faenil:)12:12
faenilcool stuff12:13
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uuhimherelocusf, is it in english?12:31
locusfuuhimhere: lets hope so12:31
tigeliI doubt it is12:32
* tbr agrees with tigeli 12:33
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locusfokay might be yes12:38
locusfoh well, didn't want him to feel discouraged either12:41
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uuhimherelocusf, so why is he targetting nokias12:51
tbrI'm still a bit unsure about his actual motive12:51
locusfuuhimhere: not entirely sure12:51
uuhimherelocusf, could be a regional fluke not unlike what the megadrive/genesis is to brazil12:52
uuhimherehttp://kotaku.com/5039226/brazil-keeping-mega-drive-dream-alive12:54
locusfuuhimhere: hmm12:59
uuhimhereeither that or he hijacked a container full of unsold nokias destined to recycling,...12:59
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locusfwell that or skmething else, he was extremely motivated on getting my help and tried to understand everything I did13:03
locusfor told him to do13:03
locusfin my luck this is just probably an elaborate scam :p13:03
faenilguys, please...13:04
faenillet's just...ok?13:04
locusfyeah yeah I know, but I've given him the benefit of a doubt and gladly helped him :)13:05
faenilso, let's not throw stones now, let's just wait and give people a chance13:05
faenilthat doesn't mean keeping our eyes closed, for those wondering13:06
locusfyes13:06
* tbr is happy to help, just would like to understand better why he's doing it13:06
tbrthere is sadly much lost in translation13:06
tbrmmmm, now I'm craving a Suntory Whisky. ;-)13:07
uuhimheremaybe he's just bored?13:07
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locusfI have the reason from private chat but I don't want to disclose it13:10
uuhimherelocusf, then why bring it up13:10
locusfits essentially business oriented stuff13:10
uuhimherei see13:10
tbrlocusf: that's enough to know for me13:11
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tbrAlso I think it wouldn't hurt him to pursue the jolla avenue. They will come around eventually.13:13
tigeliwould probably make things much more easier for him13:16
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tigelibut I'm not a business person13:16
tbrofc it's a trade off between many factors13:17
tbreven if he doesn't go the sailfish route it could be beneficial for mer/nemo/sailfish, more vendors, shared load13:18
tigelisure13:19
faenilwell, he said he tried contacting jolla, let's see if jolla can react quick enough :D13:32
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tbrfaenil: I think he was told that he's in the general MWC queue and will be contacted. From what I saw he seems to be in too much of a hurry to wait, for some reason. Or just has unreasonable expectations.13:52
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