Wednesday, 2018-02-07

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marmistrzHi, bhushanshah! I'm just wondering: what's the reason to create kirigami when there's QtQuickControls2?07:31
T4<neochapay> omagad! How many messages in chanel ^_^07:33
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r0kk3rzneochapay, apparently people are rallying against qml component sets for some reason07:49
T4<neochapay> ha...ha...ha....okay...remove all and rewrite it! Again....no07:52
T4<neochapay> if you have so much free time add plz wifi plugin to glacier settings....07:53
T4<neochapay> but no...we will talk about components and qcc qnd build system and about alot of unimporteamnt now things...while-three people write code07:55
r0kk3rzindeed07:56
T4<faenil> They are just asking questions, which is perfectly welcome. Please keep it friendly :)07:56
T4<neochapay> I`am so frendly I'm friendlier than a cat! Old evil cat....07:58
T4<faenil> :D07:59
T4<neochapay> Second day i try build gcc5  https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:neochapay/gcc508:09
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T4<ilyaishere> @marmistrz [<marmistrz> Hi, bhushanshah! I'm just wonderin …], Kirigami does not replace QQC2, it's built on top of them08:48
bshahYeah what @ilyaishere said08:50
bshahKirigami is built on top of qqc2, it supports some additional components which are not upstreamed for $reasons and also provides some convience navigation/command patterns08:50
T4<neochapay> Who can say me - why we talk about Kirigami and QQC2 ?08:51
T4<faenil> It might be someone who attended Fosdem, where we had a meetup with the guys from Purism, in order to share opinions and advices and provide them with experiences about why previous projects failed08:54
T4<faenil> Or, did not have a great success08:54
T4<faenil> One of the topics was the UI, since Purism doesn't have one yet for the their phone08:54
T4<faenil> So the questions here might be people rightfully exploring the space :)08:55
T4<neochapay> Oh...Because we allways try rewrite all ? :)08:55
T4<faenil> We try not to...but that is what all Linux-related projects do a lot of times. 'I am missing that feature, so I will make my own fork or reinvent it because I am cool I can make a better one'08:56
marmistrzbshah, you mean that upstream doesn't accept your components?08:57
bshahmarmistrz: well it does, sure there are lots of things upstreamed from kirigami08:57
T4<faenil> marmistrz, probably that those components are specific to kirigami UI, not generic enough to make sense to upstream then08:57
bshahbut basically sometimes due to release cycles it is best to have it for time being in our repo e.g08:57
bshahalso what @faenil said08:58
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T4<faenil> Which is fine, AS LONG AS you can still just run a barebone desktop/othermobileOS app written with QQC2 and run it unchanged with Kirigami styling08:58
r0kk3rzhonestly qml component sets are the least of your worries when making cross platform apps :P08:59
T4<neochapay> YEA!08:59
T4<faenil> It's a psycological barrier, they dont' even try, if they know they need to write another UI09:00
T4<neochapay> We have broken OBS - Who is doing this? No one.09:00
bshahbut well just to clarify kirigami is not orthogonal to QtQuickControls09:00
T4<neochapay> We don`t have images - Who is doing this? No one.09:00
bshahwe do heavily depend on qtquickcontrols209:00
T4<neochapay> But when we talk about QML-QCC2 and other....Everyone want talk :))) But write conde and do PR in github - nonono! We only talk :)))09:01
T4<neochapay> Why we must use qtquickcontrols2 and kirigamy? Becouse it so sexy? not argument! Glacier components good simply and do their work. And sexy to...hehehe09:03
T4<neochapay> I'm so angry that I broke my nexus4 :(09:04
T4<neochapay> oh...it`s work :)09:06
r0kk3rzwhats glacier based upon these days, could it work on sfos?09:07
r0kk3rzor is qt5.6 too old09:07
T4<neochapay> yes it can work on sfos09:07
r0kk3rznice, i might have to switch my matrix app to glacier then09:08
T4<neochapay> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier/Installing instructions09:08
T4<eekkelund> No need to be angry @neochapay :) … The point here is that dev should be able to write app only with Qt.Quick.Controls and then it depends UI where app is run which Styling it will use. … IMO this should maybe be case in Nemo also, we don't need to rewrite anything, just move styling some how in clever way to other package. … Then if de09:08
T4v wants to create more Nemo feeel&look app, the dev will use Qt.Quick.Controls.Nemo which has nemo specific controls. Same way for example with kirigami :)09:08
T4<eekkelund> @r0kk3rz [<r0kk3rz> nice, i might have to switch my matr …], uuuuuuwoo, you could implement it straight to messages app?!09:11
T4<ilyaishere> @neochapay [Why we must use qtquickcontrols2 and kirigamy? …], That's what @faenil said, in action: reinventing. … As for the real advantages, QQC2 are way lighter and faster.09:13
r0kk3rzeekkelund: is that a telepathy thing though?09:13
T4<samzn> Current applications wouldnt need to be rewritten to make use of QQC209:23
T4<samzn> But I see his point of concern09:23
T4<samzn> And I don't see why we would use Kirigami, leave that to plasma mobile and to developers that want to integrate it separately, but not as a core component09:25
T4<samzn> [Edit] Current applications wouldnt need to be rewritten to make use of QQC2, and most of Glacier code can be used to theme QQC209:27
T4<faenil> Thanks @eetu, that is a better summary of what I meant09:32
T4<faenil> @neochapay nobody is *working* on those subjects, no time is being on that. We are just chatting ;)09:33
r0kk3rzwhere is sauce for libglacierapp?09:37
r0kk3rzaha under nemomobile-ux09:39
T4<neochapay> (Sticker, 512x512) http://silta.piraatit.fi:9090/Y4y82WtbaY.png09:42
marmistrzthanks for explanation. btw. I'll go ahead try running glacier on my phone...09:44
marmistrz:)09:44
T4<faenil> marmistrz :)09:47
NeoChapayyeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ^_^10:05
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marmistrzxD10:10
r0kk3rzNeoChapay: so in theory i should be able to add your glacier OBS repo and install glacier-music on sailfish?10:11
r0kk3rzfor eg.10:11
T4<neochapay> Yeap but now it work not correct :)10:12
r0kk3rzthats ok :)10:12
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T4<neochapay> What device will we consider reference? I suggest Nexus 5 :)10:52
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T4<neochapay> [Edit] Which device will we consider reference? I suggest Nexus 5 :)11:04
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T4<neochapay> Okay....gcc5 for x86 build correct on obs....next - will correct rpm packacing...11:35
T4<NotKit> I'm in process of packaging for postmarketOS (feature/nemo branch), it has pretty much newest components compared to Mer11:43
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r0kk3rzNeoChapay: ah yes it crashed :)12:27
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r0kk3rzNeoChapay: maybe you need to borrow some of my sparql queries from sirensong :)12:30
T4<eekkelund> sirensong for nemo ?:)12:30
r0kk3rzi dont use much of silica so it should be possible12:31
r0kk3rzbut tbh it could probably do with a rewrite anyway, it was my first ever qt/qml app after all12:53
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T4<ilyaishere> (Photo, 492x108) http://silta.piraatit.fi:9090/4KnXrohtUM.png13:43
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