Tuesday, 2019-04-09

T4<deedend> Wow, what's this Volla thing?06:50
r0kk3rzoh thats those randoms06:51
T4<abranson> are they in here?07:03
r0kk3rzyes07:03
r0kk3rzits that leif_ericsson character and m_aurel07:03
T4<abranson> aha07:05
T4<locusf> the fff.......07:05
T4<neochapay> @locusf [the fff.......], https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymNFyxvIdaM07:08
T4<locusf> wow07:09
T4<locusf> oldie but goldie07:09
T4<neochapay> @locusf [oldie but goldie], https://youtu.be/-a7juHUq-GY07:10
T4<locusf> (Document) http://3das7vpgt73yxclb6agz4sz2a2bt7bqqfjucjhhbb5jnndxcd4o4lfid.onion/xjdmaZ9RF4.mp407:12
T4<locusf> my god ...07:13
T4<locusf> positively suprised :)07:13
T4<neochapay> @locusf [positively suprised :)], if you want translate i can ^_^07:15
T4<neochapay> Strawberries appeared even in the steppe! … Strawberries grew even in the steppe! … Cute girls! … Who would know your dignity! … Opa opa yee! … Do you love me? … Throwing everything you marry me?07:15
T4<locusf> you know kyrgyz?07:16
T4<locusf> nice :)07:16
T4<neochapay> @locusf [you know kyrgyz?], google know anythink07:16
T4<locusf> hahaha07:17
r0kk3rzthats amazing07:21
T4<m_aurel> Hello together. I have seen, that our blog post was already linked here: http://volla.online/blog/files/community-days.html09:39
T4<m_aurel> I would be happy to meet some of the Nemo Mobile community. The last discussion here about Sailfish and Nemo Mobile was very interesting.09:40
T4<m_aurel> I have a question: Do you think, it's possible to ship a device with Nemo Mobile with an option to upgrade the os to a community port of Sailfish OS? It is (almost?) the same Mer base system. So an upgrade could be possible without flashing the device.09:41
T4<akaWolf> why not09:42
T4<akaWolf> maybe only licensing issues09:43
T4<m_aurel> It would be compliant to the Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported license. That's the interesting point.09:45
T4<akaWolf> in my vision you should have two .ks files with common mw packages09:46
T4<akaWolf> but yeah, that will not help with the problem of flashing09:46
T4<akaWolf> but I think it can be solved by simple shell scripts09:47
T4<akaWolf> which uninstall (maybe even not) Glacier and install Silica09:47
T4<m_aurel> Do think, that flashing would be necessary, if the device would come with Nemo Mobile?09:47
T4<akaWolf> once I suggest here UI switcher09:47
T4<akaWolf> I think it can be solved without flashing with scripts09:48
T4<m_aurel> Ok, sounds interesting.09:48
T4<abranson> you could always give your users the option of buying their own sailfish license, like sailfish x? then they'd get the os updates from jolla etc09:49
T4<akaWolf> I think you can start production without those feauture, only with working upgrade mechanism. and add that ability later.09:51
T4<akaWolf> start with Nemo09:51
T4<akaWolf> but you need own infrastructure09:51
T4<akaWolf> for distributing packages09:52
T4<m_aurel> We definately want to collaborate with Jolla. I'm looking for  options for the startup stage. Planet Computer did also start with a community port and is now officially offered by Jolla.09:53
T4<abranson> yep. that required a reflash though because the partition struction can differ between community ports and official sailfish09:54
T4<abranson> ^ structure!09:54
T4<akaWolf> I would use official structure09:54
T4<abranson> yes - i think the reason they used the stowaway scheme is they wanted it to share with debian09:55
T4<m_aurel> @abranson This could be ok, if an update from Nemo Mobile to a community port would be convenient.09:55
T4<abranson> but I don't think anyone's done that before, so there may be gotchas that end up requiring reflash. hard to guarantee in advance.09:56
T4<akaWolf> I mean you can prepare such image with Nemo which would nod require reflash.09:56
T4<akaWolf> not*09:56
T4<abranson> has anyone done that before?09:56
T4<akaWolf> dont know09:56
T4<abranson> i'm just saying that unless you test that in advance, it's really hard to guarantee that you won't find it too difficult to do when the time comes.09:57
T4<akaWolf> I agree. anyway it can be solved later with updates.09:57
T4<abranson> yeah09:57
r0kk3rzdont ship a device with nemo...10:01
T4<akaWolf> why?10:02
r0kk3rzbecause its nowhere near ready for that10:02
T4<akaWolf> yep10:02
T4<akaWolf> but who prevent from do that?10:03
T4<akaWolf> s10:03
T4<akaWolf> doing*10:03
r0kk3rznobody10:04
r0kk3rzits open source10:04
r0kk3rzstill a bad idea10:04
T4<abranson> or put the effort into getting it ready for that, then ship it10:06
T4<akaWolf> yep, that's my point10:06
T4<akaWolf> if someone planning to do that I have some code for MR into Settings (Wi-Fi section)...10:09
r0kk3rzthese guys quite plainly have no idea wga10:12
r0kk3rzt they're doing10:12
T4<m_aurel> Interesting discussion. I think it's worth to have a closer look at the idea to startup up with Nemo Mobile and an upgrade option. Flashing a device is a no-go for consumer.10:34
T4<m_aurel> Otherwise we have to start up with UBports on our first products. Not our preference.10:35
T4<m_aurel> r0kk3rz: Yes, our homepage is just a draft to announce the event. We haven't yet published information about our product development and roadmap. Our focus is not a mobile operation system.  We will to choose the an appropriate platform. In a perfect world a consirtium of companies and foundations would invest in a shared free open source10:46
T4 platform.10:46
T4<Chipiguay> @m_aurel [Hello together. I have seen, that our blog pos …], You ask for the output of the hackathon to be released under MIT/BSD license, is that correct?12:26

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