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| aimless | Hi all, I'm trying to write an app with algorithms from the opencv database. Does anybody know how I can compile it for the ARM? The used compiler of the SFOS SDK is within a cmd file... | 07:23 |
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| aimless | I downloaded the gcc compiler (i.e. I installed additionally the common Qt creator with the gcc included) but I've no glue how to compile the opencv for the ARM.$ | 07:27 |
| aimless | btw. unfortunately, I have to work on a windows machine... The linux variant is a backup solution. | 07:32 |
| aimless | ah, would it be possible to compile the opencv on a linux machine and afterwards to copy the compiled libraries on the windows machine for the app compilation? | 07:34 |
| aimless | but I also can't compile the app for the VM that runs on a i486... | 07:36 |
| aimless | hmmm... I'm definitely baffled. | 07:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | aimless: you can ssh into the build vm and compile it using mb2 there | 07:40 |
| kimmoli | compile inside mersdk/sb2? | 07:40 |
| r0kk3rz | or you can install the platform sdk and use that | 07:40 |
| r0kk3rz | or you can use osc build | 07:40 |
| Acce | aimless: did you read http://docs.opencv.org/2.4/doc/tutorials/introduction/crosscompilation/arm_crosscompile_with_cmake.html | 07:41 |
| aimless | Acce: thanks for the link, I've seen it as well. But it is for a linux machine... | 07:42 |
| aimless | r0kk3rz: but when I ssh into the vm I need to copy the entire opencv into the vm - right? | 07:43 |
| aimless | you mean I shoul ssh into the vm in order to have a linux environment? | 07:43 |
| Acce | aimless: you can install git & cmake on windows too | 07:45 |
| Acce | or you can ssh into the vm which is basically a linux.. | 07:45 |
| Acce | you don't need to copy anything - the vm will mount your designed project directory automatically | 07:46 |
| Acce | so you can touch the same files as in your sfos development folder you gave when installing the sdk | 07:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | aimless: ah you're on windows, that limits things somewhat | 07:47 |
| Acce | here's some info about using the vm via ssh: https://sailfishos.org/develop/tutorials/building-sailfish-os-packages-manually/ | 07:48 |
| r0kk3rz | aimless: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:nielnielsen/opencv | 07:48 |
| r0kk3rz | or you can just use that | 07:49 |
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| aimless | Acce: yes, I've installed git and cmake on windows and I also already compiled the opencv with the gcc on windows however, I guess that I've forgot the parameter for the ARM toolchain. May that be the cause? | 07:49 |
| pketo | and there seems to be some instruction https://together.jolla.com/question/30875/opencv-sailfishos-ide/ | 07:49 |
| aimless | pketo: nice, thank you. I've already seen. | 07:50 |
| Acce | aimless: well, it might be best to use the vm, since it has the correct compilers and everything, and it has cmake etc. too | 07:50 |
| aimless | Acce: ok. So then I will try it by using the vm... | 07:50 |
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| Acce | aimless: yeah, in the link I last sent there are the commands for using cmake for armv7hl builds too | 07:51 |
| aimless | r0kk3rz: thanks for the link. That would be a backup solution :-) | 07:51 |
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| aimless | really strange, in the CMake 3.5.1 for Windows, I can't find the parameter "DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE". hehe... whatever, don't waste time and go on with linux. | 08:01 |
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| _Thaodan | would it be possible to delay the passwort setting for | 10:14 |
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| _Thaodan | for an accound to supportet the code driven approach like with telegram? | 10:21 |
| * tbr is slightly bemused at the "community" meetings | 10:21 | |
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| tbr | with all the ramtamtam around jollac, you'd think people would have questions OR jolla would have interest to bring up topics of their own *gasp* | 10:22 |
| _Thaodan | so that the code is marked as optional and after the account was created the provider asks for update the acc data and the code is entered? | 10:23 |
| _Thaodan | is the log of the meeting somewhere uploaded? | 10:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | _Thaodan: there is, but no meeting this week due to lack of interest | 10:34 |
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| _Thaodan | r0kk3rz: hm ok. Some updates would have been nice | 10:35 |
| r0kk3rz | on what? | 10:36 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want updates on something you need to ask | 10:36 |
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| _Thaodan | Fairphone 2 and the offical support, I know but I was busy | 10:37 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, you wont get updates about things like commercial partnerships | 10:38 |
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| r0kk3rz | if they had an announcement, then it would be announced | 10:39 |
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| _Thaodan | there ways always something about soon and is in the plan... | 10:40 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 12:37 |
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| _Thaodan | is there a cli client for openrepos to push pkgs? | 13:55 |
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| coderus | _Thaodan: sort of. ping basil in twitter. | 14:09 |
| _Thaodan | thanks | 14:09 |
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| User2340 | does anyone know where is the source of the components demo applicaion that comes with the emulator? | 14:17 |
| r0kk3rz | User2340: those components arent open source | 14:19 |
| User2340 | no, I am asking for the components demo app, not the components | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | User2340: you can create a demo app project in the sdk | 14:20 |
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| knezi | Hi, I would like to port SFOS to device running Android ICS, but not CyanogenMod. Is it needed to port this firstly to CM? Also, is 512MB RAM enough? | 15:06 |
| mal- | you need to have the android source tree for your device, it can be either cm or aosp | 15:07 |
| knezi | Android source tree means with all the Android.mk, BoardConfig.mk ... files? | 15:09 |
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| knezi | Cause I don't have this. I have just ROM. Also, I have source tree for Firefox OS, which is based on Android ICS, so maybe this would serve... | 15:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | knezi: im sure sure i would bother with such an old device, but afaik you'd have to patch up your source tree with hybris patches | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | *not | 15:17 |
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| knezi | Ok. Thanks. | 15:18 |
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| mal- | knezi: which device is that? | 15:27 |
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| knezi | Geeksphone Peak. | 15:29 |
| mal- | knezi: could you point me to the firefox sources, is it online somewhere? | 15:35 |
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| knezi | Sure, code: https://github.com/mozilla-b2g/B2G. | 15:38 |
| knezi | for Peak Run ./config.sh peak | 15:38 |
| knezi | GP specific code: https://github.com/gp-b2g/ | 15:39 |
| mal- | in theory it might be possible but could require quite a lot of work | 15:42 |
| NeKit | I wonder, does B2G also use libhybris or something else? | 15:43 |
| r0kk3rz | NeKit: B2G *is* android, as it were | 15:43 |
| NeKit | porting it to other devices must have been very easy then? | 15:44 |
| knezi | r0kk3rz that is the reason why I think it should be easy to port there CyanogenMod and than SFOS. | 15:45 |
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| knezi | NeKit: should be, but as it is based on ICS (CM9 - not supported by CM anymore), the source is bit-rotted. | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | knezi: if you managed to put on cm11, then sfos would be easier because you could use that android tree | 15:45 |
| tbr | NeKit: they didn't need to go libhybris, they just ported gecko to bionic (well they had to already for firefox android) and then added hw specific middleware | 15:46 |
| knezi | I am just fetching CM11 :) and will see. Does anyone know whether CM11 is still supported? | 15:46 |
| knezi | E.g. not bit-rotted? | 15:47 |
| tbr | they directly use all the things like surfaceflinger, audioflinger, etc | 15:47 |
| NeKit | like cuteboot project then | 15:47 |
| r0kk3rz | NeKit: same idea yeah | 15:47 |
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| tbr | given that most SoCs nowadays come with "Android as the BSP", going that route has its advantages | 15:48 |
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| knezi | tbr: What is BSP? | 15:49 |
| tbr | Board Support Package | 15:49 |
| knezi | Oh, of course. | 15:50 |
| tbr | generally the starting point of "product development" | 15:50 |
| tbr | and the soc vendor usually provides some level of support if you use that BSP | 15:50 |
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| Thaodan_ | but cause of this you're stuck to the kernel the vendor you gives or not? | 15:56 |
| urjaman | depends... but you're stuck with the userspace GPU stuff usually... | 15:56 |
| urjaman | (and yeah, the kernel trees are often kinda diverged, so likely also yes if you dont do a lot of work...) | 15:57 |
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| tbr | Thaodan_: well, vendor franken kernels are the norm. Even the Jolla phone (SbJ) suffers from it. | 16:08 |
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| tbr | the industry is geared towards churning out a product and offloading it on a consumer at highest possible margin | 16:08 |
| tbr | things like up to date kernel, vanilla linux or let alone security patches are not part of marketing's vocabulary and thus not part of the budget | 16:09 |
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| Thaodan_ | vanilla kernel for android are nearly impossible | 16:10 |
| tbr | similar goes for SoC vendors. They have usually *one* bring-up and adaptation team. So they will bring up the SoC on the EVM (evaluation module, aka reference board) and some userspace. Which ever versions are required for then up to date android. That's it. Then they immediately move on to the next SoC product. | 16:11 |
| Thaodan_ | but sony tries to run at least their devices to use vanilla kernels | 16:11 |
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| tbr | last time I checked they still were 2M patches (sic!) away from vanilla | 16:11 |
| tbr | Tim Bird's talks on this subject are always very interesting | 16:11 |
| Thaodan_ | they'll see the what they get from | 16:12 |
| tbr | There is no return on investment for running vanilla. Thus there will be no budget. | 16:12 |
| Thaodan_ | ah okay that guy that made toybox | 16:12 |
| tbr | yes | 16:13 |
| tbr | he is quite high up in sony mobile IIRC | 16:13 |
| tbr | did their android TV stuff | 16:13 |
| Thaodan_ | but doesn't this weakens Linux and every one using it? | 16:13 |
| Thaodan_ | what did Bird said that was so interesting? | 16:14 |
| tbr | he has a good understanding of the realities in the mobile/embedded world. Also he has exact numbers on the Sony mobile devices. | 16:15 |
| Thaodan_ | so no one sees what this way of working pushes the industry too? | 16:16 |
| tbr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkvLMbT4scE - that should be one of his talks | 16:17 |
| tbr | Thaodan_: the problem is the disconnect between the bean counters and the people with engineering insight. | 16:17 |
| tbr | and that's nothing specific to linux | 16:17 |
| tbr | I recommend watching the video | 16:18 |
| Thaodan_ | I'll do when I'm at home, I'm on with my fp2 on sofs | 16:19 |
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| Thaodan_ | tbr: i know when the way it should be is not always the money ppl thinking | 16:21 |
| Thaodan_ | even in a small company i work i see this | 16:21 |
| tbr | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/Overcoming_Obstacles_to_Mainlining-ELCE-2014-with-notes.pdf | 16:22 |
| tbr | I think that's the session I remember from ELCE14 in Düsseldorf | 16:22 |
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| Thaodan_ | could you post the two links you don't posted again? tbr | 16:25 |
| tbr | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkvLMbT4scE http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/Overcoming_Obstacles_to_Mainlining-ELCE-2014-with-notes.pdf | 16:25 |
| tbr | danichfür | 16:25 |
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| tbr | also this channel is logged | 16:26 |
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| tbr | http://merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/latest.log.html | 16:26 |
| tbr | http://merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2016-06-23.log.html#t2016-06-23T15:48:20 | 16:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | tbr: its a shame that the powers that be dont put more regulation on device updates | 16:38 |
| r0kk3rz | imo security updates should be covered under device warranty | 16:39 |
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| tbr | r0kk3rz: could only happen if governments would start extending mandatory warranty to software | 17:08 |
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| tbr | which ofc would lead to devices costing more in the end | 17:09 |
| tbr | but if that's what's necessary to *actually* get security updates | 17:09 |
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| Thaodan_ | maybe I'm wrong but shouldn't be /sys/kernel/debug/suspend_stats be 0 ? | 17:47 |
| tbr | the device is in a constant wake/sleep cycle when the display is not on. | 17:49 |
| Thaodan_ | so no suspend? | 17:49 |
| tbr | c.f. IPHB and the android power saving model | 17:49 |
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| Thaodan_ | could be use be possible to suspend the device after some time of idle? | 17:51 |
| Thaodan_ | what is iphb? | 17:51 |
| tbr | that's what happens *all* the time | 17:52 |
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| Thaodan_ | ha? i'm a bit confused. | 17:58 |
| Thaodan_ | i just thought there would be some low level way to trigger a suspend that puts the device to sleep | 17:59 |
| tbr | it will go to sleep itself after seconds if there is nothing to be run within the next seconds | 18:00 |
| spiiroin | Thaodan_: it works the other way around: device will suspend as soon as nobody is actively keeping it awake | 18:00 |
| tbr | cf. the concept of wake-locks | 18:01 |
| kimmoli | (now i just need to suspend with display on, for true LPM with onyx) | 18:02 |
| spiiroin | Thaodan_: libiphb = inherited from maemo system wide aligned wakeup service (interprocess heart beat, or so) -> was adopted in sfos as a way to schedule wakeups from suspend | 18:03 |
| Thaodan_ | hm so search what causing the wake look | 18:03 |
| Thaodan_ | ah ok | 18:04 |
| spiiroin | Thaodan_: "cat /sys/power/wake_lock" -> shows currently active wakelocks | 18:04 |
| Thaodan_ | hm I'm not what causing the issue cause they idle time on my fp is not that good | 18:05 |
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| spiiroin | caveat: some kernels still show "autocancelled" wakelocks there -> might contain non-active wakelocks too | 18:06 |
| Thaodan_ | is there a way to trigger a time after something changes in state fs? | 18:06 |
| Thaodan_ | so that something like mobile data off or don't allow wake locks for a time? | 18:08 |
| tbr | I think what you should start with is gain an understanding of things. Maybe profile things. | 18:10 |
| tbr | maybe spiiroin can suggest something for profiling power saving and things | 18:11 |
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| Thaodan_ | tbr: would be nice | 18:32 |
| spiiroin | Thaodan: there is something in https://together.jolla.com/question/111307/11928-heavy-battery-drain-even-in-stand-by/ | 18:35 |
| spiiroin | there are some tasks that would provide better stats, but have not had time for those lately ... | 18:36 |
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| Thaodan | I'm readin https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ABI/testing/sysfs-power currently however this gives me more questions | 18:39 |
| Thaodan | why is /sys/power/autosleep=off for example | 18:39 |
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| fledermaus | Miski: flight mode bounce did not help. | 18:51 |
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| * ballock is running his IRC proxy over SSL with self-signed cert. | 21:23 | |
| ballock | Where do I add the SSL cert so that it is *the* trusted cert for the Communi IRC client? | 21:24 |
| ballock | (and no, I will not be ignoring SSL cert errors) | 21:24 |
| ballock | kimmoli: ^^ perhaps you know? | 21:25 |
| nh1402 | ballock: https://letsencrypt.org/ ? | 21:29 |
| ballock | nh1402: let me encrypt myself | 21:32 |
| nh1402 | that's not a joke website btw, a free Certification Authority to sign SSL certificates | 21:32 |
| ballock | nh1402: yeah, I know. I want to keep the machine secure by also limiting amount of 3rd party software running on it, | 21:33 |
| ballock | and their renewal client is such. | 21:34 |
| ballock | Preferably, I'd like the Communi client to trust *only* this self-signed cert. | 21:34 |
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| ballock | Surprisingly this doesn't help https://together.jolla.com/question/2949/where-can-i-add-a-system-ca-certificate/ | 22:00 |
| ballock | So it looks like Communi is using a custom trusted CA chain. | 22:00 |
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