Tuesday, 2012-01-03

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Matt_BattleGood Evening channel00:20
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3930 Rejected promotion request01:42
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Sagemorning06:25
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StskeepsCore-next probably finished building by now?06:44
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* Sage checks07:10
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Sageit seems so yes07:11
SageStskeeps: what images you want?07:11
Stskeepsall of them idealy07:12
Stskeepsly07:12
Stskeepstest n900 first though07:12
timophinstalled nemo on n950 yesterday. Seems after doing zypper ref && zypper up seems that there was a hit in performance.07:14
SageStskeeps: where is the mer core repo for next?07:14
SageStskeeps: err... nm :)07:14
Stskeepstimoph: what packages did it update?07:14
timophdunno if it didn't like that many updates07:14
timophkernel and a lot of mtf packages07:14
timophtens of packages anyway07:15
* Sage thinks we need repo options for kickstarter command line :)07:15
timophalso systemui seems to bit still unstable07:15
timophnow that was a funny sentence07:16
SageStskeeps: forgot to compile on project at least (tracker) needs a while07:17
timophguessing the battery charging works but the indicator can't read the state07:17
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timophas in how much there's battery left07:17
StskeepsSage: ok07:18
timophbtw, has anyone tried doing an installer script, etc. for n95007:22
timophI think that should be doable07:23
timophthe problem is detecting the right disk07:23
Sagetimoph: I'm happy to try it out if you do one :)07:24
timoph:)07:25
timophI just might07:25
* Sage has not booting n950 again :/07:25
timophhmmh. I'll write a PofC installer when I have a free evening the next time (== girlfriend not home)07:27
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niqtmorn07:34
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veskuhKasvopus sources were updated to projects.developer.nokia.com07:58
veskuhnow we can update the package07:58
SageStskeeps: failures in :Tracker project which needs fixing before can do image07:59
Stskeepsok? show me?07:59
Sagelinking problems07:59
Sage/usr/bin/ld: note: 'g_file_get_uri' is defined in DSO //lib/libgio-2.0.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line08:00
Sagethe normal stuff just haven't checked this repo before with new compiler08:00
Stskeepsah08:00
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Sageso might take a while :/08:03
Sagevgrade: willing to test qt-mobility package with qt messaging?08:05
Sageo_008:06
Sageour tracker is a bit out of date :D08:06
Sageour version 0.10.21 and upstream 0.1308:07
Sagedid someone say that they were getting rid of miner? :)08:07
Sagehave they done it already?08:07
veskuhI think it was more like we could get rid of miner.08:09
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Sageok08:15
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Sageto what does tracker need quill?08:37
Sageor does it need it in the first place?08:37
veskuhmp3 album art extract?08:38
Sagethat is done by qt based on the configure log08:38
SageSupport MP3 album art:                  yes (qt)08:39
Sageso probably just dep that can be removed08:39
veskuhperhaps08:39
Sageremoving quill from builddeps removes packages required during compile from 270 to 241 :P08:44
Sageah, now it says Support MP3 album art:                  no  (disabled)08:45
veskuhI think we can live without album art at the moment08:46
Sageadding qt-devel as build deps fixes that back to (qt)08:48
Sagedo we need maemo support for tracker?08:48
veskuh"Maemo specific annotations" - no idea what those are08:49
veskuhif it is this, then we can live without: http://osdir.com/ml/commits.gnome/2011-04/msg10950.html08:51
Sageok, disabling for now as it helps with compile08:52
veskuhIs this still part of the new toolchain work?08:52
Stskeepsyeah, we forgot to test-build :Tracker08:52
* Sage is cleaning tracker packaging at the same time08:53
veskuhok, hopefully everything works out. These things are always high risk updates08:53
SageI'm going from 0.10.21 to 0.10.3708:54
Sagenot to 0.x updates to maintain api compatibility08:55
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=tracker&oproject=Project%3AMTF%3ATracker&package=tracker&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AProject%3AMTF%3ATracker&rev=408:56
Sagereview would be nice if someone is up for it08:56
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Stskeepsi'm almost sure we'd see a problem with kernel at first bootup, should include that patch i saw08:59
StskeepsSage: reviews OK to me09:00
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SageStskeeps: ok, needs some more changes though :P09:12
Sageone example of packaging that is a real mess :P09:13
Stskeepsthe good thing about Mer is that it's a limited set of packages, so you can do a cleanup sweep in a week or so, of all 300 packages if really need be09:13
* Sage likes the obs structure in nemo as well. It forces users to cleanup some of the **** in from the packaging.09:16
Sage\o/ tracker compiled :)09:19
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3943 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/394309:48
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veskuhxruxa: want to update kasvopus? The sources are now available..10:07
xruxaveskuh: could give it a go, what happened to the previous maintainers?10:07
Stskeepssteering group meeting in an hour?10:08
veskuhxruxa: There has never been active maintainer there, ville just quickly packaged it during summer while he had free time.10:08
veskuhactually pretty similiar story with all the additional apps, some people have had time a did quickly something and we've kept the packages in images10:09
xruxado we have kasvopus sources only or also the twimgo and others?10:10
veskuhI think twimgo sources was also updated already last week or so10:11
veskuhyep, latest changes two days ago10:11
veskuhStskeeps: yep10:12
Stskeepsok10:12
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xruxaveskuh: let me know where are those sources for Kasvopus, I will look into them bit later today10:27
veskuhxruxa: https://projects.developer.nokia.com/kasvopus/browser10:28
xruxaveskuh: IC, thanks.10:28
veskuhnp10:29
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3943 Accepted promotion request10:54
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jukkaeklundhowdy10:59
jukkaeklundNemo meeting in 1min?10:59
Stskeepsi'd say 6 according to my clock10:59
jukkaeklundhmm..10:59
veskuhYour clock is 5 minutes late..10:59
jukkaeklundI concur10:59
veskuhOr is the habit of starting minutes 5 past?11:00
* jukkaeklund booking flights to fosdem11:00
Stskeepsyeah, okay, my clock was late11:03
StskeepsNemo steering group meeting in #mer-meeting NOW11:04
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jukkaeklund:)11:06
Sagew00t: what is cubi used for and do you think it is safe to update in our :Tracker project?11:09
w00tSage: cubi is a little complex to explain, but basically it's a sparql query builder11:11
w00tshould be used by qtcontacts-tracker11:11
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* veskuh sometimes feels that meego architure was made complex just to annoy me12:39
dm8tbrshush, you're not supposed to know that ;)12:40
veskuh:)12:40
Stskeepsthere's no such thing as linux architecture, http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/mer/mer-core.png12:42
Stskeeps:P12:42
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veskuhStskeeps: and that is the simple light-weight core of the thing :)12:43
Stskeepsmy AgileBrowser crashed with the meego versio12:43
Stskeepsn12:43
Stskeeps:P12:43
veskuhYep :) Like I said my biggest achievement in Harmattan was removal of one big component :)12:44
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jukkaeklundStskeeps, great pic it should be made as 3D..12:48
Stskeepsit's on my list sometime to clean that up, in practice it doesn't ook -that- bad :P12:49
dm8tbrthere was a nice 'wiki explorer' thing once. that let you explore a graph of linked articles in 3d12:49
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Sagemarquiz: what was the mce status should it be usable already even without that displaymeego module?13:28
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marquizSage: it isn't usable without that13:34
marquizproblems with screen blanking/unblanking13:34
marquizSage: i started writing a new displaymeego module but got distracted because of the christmas break ;)13:35
marquizi feel that it's a driver issue related to screen dimming/fading13:36
marquizso upgrading sgx/fbdev drivers might fix it...13:37
Sageok, just tested that with new mce the meegotouch-controlpanelapplets13:37
Sagecompile fine13:37
marquizgotta go, see ya tomorrow ->13:37
Sagecya13:37
marquizyeah, compilation is ok13:37
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veskuhSage: What was the resource policy thingy? Does any app using sound need it? (I was trying to add sms-sound to messageserver)14:04
Sageveskuh: dialer AFAIK14:05
Sageand I think also music or video player was using it14:05
veskuhYep, I grabbed the audio playback code from dialer, but do I need to change some resource policy setting somewhere also?14:06
Sagessirkia: might be able to answer to that if he is here. ^14:08
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ssirkiaveskuh: yes... well, I think you can begin without the resource policy support and then add it later. Applications without support will be treated as if they were music players (priority).14:14
ssirkiaveskuh: but dialer has the resource policy code as well.14:14
veskuhssirkia: yep, good to know. So in theory, audio should work I have just made error in my code somewhere then.14:15
ssirkiaveskuh: Yes, because I don't think the current music player supports resource policy either.14:16
veskuhYep, even command line works. So for example: gst-launch-0.10 filesrc location=/usr/share/sounds/ce/stereo/alert-1.wav ! wavparse ! alsasink14:17
veskuhthat works fine14:17
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veskuhAfter a lot of pain I got alert from incoming SMS.14:41
xruxatell us more ;)14:42
veskuhWell, the bug is over six months old and I finally understood that easiest place to fix is in the sms-app code itself14:43
veskuhit attaches a plugin to qmf-messeageserver, and that is the place to put the fix.14:43
xruxaat least the sounds are there now I hope14:44
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3947 Rejected promotion request14:44
veskuhYep, they are. So I wasted a lot of time studying systemui, libngf, and ngfd. In the end for sms app itself it was quite quick fix with about 5 lines of code.14:45
phaeronthe-boss: go away14:45
the-bossphaeron: Error: "go" is not a valid command.14:45
phaeronsudo go away14:45
phaeron:D14:45
xruxa;)14:46
xruxabummer, it behaves like Android : update a package and icon moves to last page in launcher14:48
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3948 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/394814:49
xruxaveskuh: ^ updated Kasvopus14:50
veskuhxruxa: Nice, and now login works?14:50
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xruxaveskuh: did for me.14:52
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veskuhGreat, I'll try to test it soon.14:53
xruxabut somehow runs portrait only, while the one i took from N9 rotates ...14:53
mikhasveskuh, if you work on SMS stuff, please make sure that filtering wide characters work.14:53
mikhasOne wide character in SMS, and suddenly the allowed size for SMS drops dramatically14:54
veskuhmikhas: Can you file a bug?14:54
mikhasThat would require me testing this feature first in Nemo, and I dont have a test SIM etc.14:55
veskuhWell, ok I can file it. What do you mean by wide character?14:56
mikhasanything that requires more than a byte14:57
veskuhSo basically this: http://www.smsmac.com/help/discover/about-sms/unicode/14:57
veskuh?14:57
mikhasyup14:58
veskuhOk.14:58
faenilw00t: is qmlsms still at the same stage? i.e. just begun? not that I have time now...just wanted to know15:00
w00tyes15:02
w00ti've been swallowed up by qt/work/christmas in recent times15:02
faenilok thanks ;)15:10
faenildo you think phonebook, sms, and all basic apps will be lagless in nemo?15:11
faenilunlike harmattan ones...15:11
w00twhat lag?15:11
faenilwhere? :D15:11
faenilscrolling, loading15:11
faenilthat stuff :)15:11
faenilscrolling lags almost everywhere but in the homescreens on Harm15:12
xruxafor me vice versa15:13
w00ti think someone needs to write them before thinking about things like that :)15:13
faenilw00t: I think someone needs to think about that before writing them instead :D15:14
w00tmaking things faster is easy15:15
w00tcreating them at all is the hard part15:15
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faenildon't know if it's just me, but I think being lagless is a crucial point for a nice UX15:15
faenilI'd rather see strings scrolling at 60fps without images, than images+strings at 20, for instance :D15:16
Stskeepsit is, but first you make the stuff work, then optimize15:16
Stskeeps:P15:16
faenilw00t: ok so basically harmattan apps are badwritten15:16
xruxaSage: that missing pixmap (icon-l-about-meego-logo) in About product applet in Settings - what do we want to have there?15:17
xruxaStskeeps: ^15:17
Stskeepsa u-boat15:17
Stskeeps?15:17
Stskeeps:P15:17
xruxaDo we have some Nemo artwork?15:18
faenil:)15:18
veskuhxruxa: no. would be nice to have though15:18
xruxaDoes not N9 have there a 2D barcode only?15:18
veskuhcompany logo and barcode15:19
veskuhwe should put something cooler15:19
faenilxruxa, the theme expert :D15:20
xruxaThe least I could do it put barcode with Nemo URL, but as veskuh said, we could do better15:21
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mikhasfaenil, I would not waste time there.15:27
mikhasfaenil, instead, try and compare the results with QML2 (for QML apps)15:28
faenilbut qml2 is offlimits until don't know when, isn't it? :D15:28
mikhasfor checking whether you should spend time now in perf optimization, or simply wait?15:29
faenil... :P15:29
mikhasI dont think it's so offlimit for a project like Nemo.15:29
faenilwell I think using qt5 now would break comp wouldn'it it?15:30
xruxaso 2D barcode it is for now.15:30
mikhasFor plain QML apps?15:30
faeniloh no it would not since Qt is forward-compatible15:30
faenilok :)15:30
mikhasfaenil, also, if you can measure bad panning performance in Harmattan then please file bug reports @ https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/15:31
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BgdwieDoes nemo even have a logo/theme/mascot color even?15:34
veskuhNo.15:35
* xruxa not aware of any15:35
faenilmikhas: everyone sees that, I don't think a bugreport is needed15:36
faeniljust open phonebook or sms and scroll15:37
faenilor open twitter app, or facebook app15:37
faenilor whatever :)15:37
BgdwieHeh, i always think of the orange an white fish when someone says nemo... would go well with the mer bubbles logo... bubbbles coming from the fish or something heh15:37
phaeronhttp://static1.robohash.com/nemomobile15:37
phaeron:D15:37
faenileveryone sees that it takes 5 taps to open keyboard some times in sms centre, or that it lags while doing so...15:38
faenilor that every time a popup appears everything lags because the compositor is drawing on your app window15:38
BgdwiePhaeron: robots are cool but i think google beat us there.15:38
faenilI think I have said all the things I don't like about harmattan :D15:38
faeniljust missing the keyboard which is not that usable :D15:39
phaeronBgdwie: these robots are the good guys :D15:39
mikhasfaenil, no sorry, I dont think everyone sees what you see.15:40
xruxaall that free memory on N950 is getting on my nerves, but then I pull N900 and things all back to normal15:40
mikhasMy Harmattan on my N9 seems very fluent.15:40
veskuhSame here, but as with any system that has real multitasking your milage may vary15:41
faenilmikhas: which one of the things I have written down is not visible on your N9/N950?15:41
veskuhfaenil: Guessing that when you see the lags your device is under load15:41
mikhasfaenil, virtually none of them.15:41
faenil:O15:41
faenilso if you open phonebook and scroll you get no lag?15:42
veskuhwell, to be fair twitter/facebook fps is below 60 often15:42
mikhasPlease check your CPU load, memory consumption etc. Or do a sytem oprofile.15:42
mikhasRight, the two apps I dont use because they suck anyway.15:42
faenilmikhas: It does all of them both on my N950 and N9...15:42
mikhasLuckily, there are websites for each of them.15:42
faenilveskuh: of course the system is under load while loading the phonebook, because it's probably refreshing cache or don't know what15:43
veskuhBasically only performance issues that really bother me is the fact that opening tweet or facebook status from events screen sometimes takes way too long15:43
faenilbut still, that causes lags at the beginning15:43
mikhasperhaps you have 80k contacts in your phonebook?15:43
faenil140, or something like that15:44
mikhaslike that one MeeGo Architect which name I already erased from memory.15:44
mikhaswell OK, that's nothing.15:44
faenilless than 90% of the people on this planet I guess :D15:44
veskuhNo, that is not what I meant, app team should know how to take care of that. I'd guess there is some apps/daemons running background doing stuff15:44
mikhasveskuh, I agree, that event-view-to-app stuff should have been made faster.15:45
faenilmikhas, veskuh, if you say you don't notice the lags, I'll make videos and share it, just coz I'm curious, I'd be glad if it were a problem of mine, and not of harmattan15:45
mikhasfaenil, I'd be more interested in proper profiling.15:46
mikhasI cannot see the hard facts from a video.15:46
faenilI just want to know if you see the same, since you said you don't :D15:46
faenilmikhas: have never made proper profiling in my life yet, have to learn :)15:51
faenilbecause that's really needed15:51
faenilmikhas: how can I profile it? I can do that when I have some time and provide a nice log ;)15:59
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mikhasstart simple: "top" (or "htop") and "free" in terminal are a good start already16:00
mikhasthen learn about oprofile16:00
faeniloh well top just to see cpu and mem usage :)16:01
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mikhasfor meegotouch applications, there is also -show-fps and -log-fps as command line parameters16:03
faeniloh well that's a bit too much :D I can see it's lagging :D16:04
faenillog-fps is nice instead :D16:05
faenilwhat's the time interval it uses?16:05
mikhasdunno, "short" ;-)16:05
xruxait should print timestamp for every frame rendered iirc16:06
faenil:D16:06
BgdwieHeh, just asked my friends what they associated the word nemo with, + 30seconds of photoshop, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/677635/logo.jpg16:07
veskuhPretty cool actually16:07
WizzupIs there an overview of what nemo can do on a n900?16:07
* xruxa is not against a fish, hopes Disney feels the same16:08
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BgdwieYeah, thats what my Gf said hehe16:08
veskuhWizzup: No, not really. There is videos in youtube and some text in wiki, put up-to-date comprenhensive list no16:10
Wizzupwould be nice16:11
WizzupI'll buy a microsd card and try it in a bit16:11
BgdwieI was thinking maybe even captain nemo, jules verne, 20000leagues under the sea style as an alternative16:11
veskuhWizzup: If you like, you can start to make the list in wiki :)16:12
WizzupI just might16:12
Wizzupbbl16:12
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Bgdwiehttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/677635/logo2.jpg - hmmm, maybeb this will have less legal implications... nothing against smoking pipes right?16:47
veskuhGentleman's OS :)16:47
BgdwieI was thinking captain nemo from 20k leagues under the sea, but having a hairy man as a logo isnt very clear... so maybe just a captain pipe :)16:49
faenilahahah16:49
faenilGentlema's os xD16:49
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veskuhSage, Stskeeps what do you like of  nemo logo candiadate ^^16:51
BgdwieI did a little bit of quick searching and couldnt find the font used in the mer logo,i guess if it is liked i could tidy it up16:52
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Sagelbt: for some reason the password for mer bugzilla and nemo bugzilla is not same for me (can't login to nemo bugzilla but can login to mer bz)18:49
Stskeepstry with username instead?18:57
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Sagehmmp19:22
Sageah, that works19:22
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Wizzuphm, I just copied (dd) the nemo image to an microsd card19:46
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Wizzupbut u-boot tells me it cannot load the uImage from emmc:319:46
Wizzupmmc 0:319:46
Wizzuphmm19:54
Wizzupu-boot won't boot to my old maemo either ;/19:54
SageWizzup: check the partitions in sd card that they really are there and there is uImage file in the boot partition20:16
WizzupThe partitions 1,2,3 were avail20:16
WizzupWhat partition is the boot partition?20:17
WizzupI figured it wasn't the same as the root fs20:17
WizzupAnyone else using u-boot in here20:18
Wizzuper, disregard that last sentence ;)20:18
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lbtSage: logged in OK?21:07
WizzupThe nemo image contains three partitions right? What are the second and the third?21:15
WizzupThey appear to be empty for me...21:15
Wizzup(the first isn't empty)21:15
Sagelbt: yes, but it is a bit confusing as nemomobile bz login doesn't accept e-mail like mer bz21:18
lbthttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7921:19
Stskeepsany way we can do it to be so?21:19
lbtwell, it's GPL so sure.....    but *should* we?21:20
lbtwho's going to support it when we upgrade bz?21:20
Stskeepswell it seems illogical that we use the email for login one place and not the other :P21:20
Stskeepsi'll discuss in the bug i guess21:21
WizzupIs this the correct image for NEMO? http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20111208.2.NEMO.2011-12-22.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-testing/21:21
SageWizzup: yes21:22
SageWizzup: there is three partitions in n900 image. root, swap(not used) and boot21:22
Wizzupok.21:22
SageWizzup: the swap is legacy leftover because of hardcoded u-boot stuff.21:22
Wizzupok21:23
SageWizzup: anyway there has been some failed dd writes to sd cards by people at times. so redoing dd might help21:23
WizzupOK.21:24
SageWizzup: I'm guessing that it is becaues of users have sd card mounted or something when they do dd.21:24
SageWizzup: and sry for the slow responses. Feel free to ask if you have any problems someone will answer sooner or later :)21:25
WizzupIt's ok21:25
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3948 Rejected promotion request21:50
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3950 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/395021:54
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WizzupSage: Is NEMO able to mount the maemo rootfs?22:13
WizzupOr rather, how22:13
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