Sunday, 2012-08-05

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Venemo_ok, time to sleep now02:35
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Sage\o/ My main N9 (with harmattan in it) doesn't go to network anymore.. Rebooted, charged etc. no effect.08:37
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Sageneed to check sim on other device first before declaring my phone broken. Maybe operator did something stupid :)08:45
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msalmelaHello, test09:27
Stskeepstest successful09:30
faenilgood morning! :D10:07
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mallathello all10:29
matthalmHello mallat10:30
mallatI wanted to finish something today I started last weekend but ran into a problem. The package I'd want to add to (nemo-qml-plugins) has commits in git master that are not in the OBS tarball. Thus a patch against master wont build in OBS10:31
mallatAre the packages built automatically periodically or how it works?10:32
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Stskeepshmm, just push to github and it should get integratef10:34
mallatmaybe I'm missing something, but lists files 12 days old while the git log shows changes on Friday10:35
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Stskeepsyes, so nobody integrated last snapshot10:37
Stskeepswho is regular committer?10:37
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Venemow00t, ping10:39
alteregoHow can I find out what RPM an arbitrary file belongs to?10:46
Venemozypper wp "/usr/whateer/arbitraryfile"10:46
alteregoAh, awesome.10:47
Venemoat least IIRC 'zypper wp' is the counterpart of 'yum whatprovides'10:47
alteregoSounds familiar.10:47
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Venemoalterego, do you know anything about w00t's accounts UI work?10:48
alteregoFrom what I remember it's just a wrapper for the console tool.10:49
Venemoand where is the console tool?10:49
alteregoNot sure.10:50
alteregoI think it's in telepathy-mission-control10:50
alteregoSomething like mc-tool maybe.10:50
w00tyes, mc-tool10:51
Venemow00t, so is it for adding telepathy accounts only?10:51
w00tit's not a final solution10:52
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sp3000Venemo: does wp always work? I've seen a world where it found some things by basename, some by path, some not at all, something like that11:04
* sp3000 resorted to a thing that ate filelists11:04
Venemosp3000, I don't know11:04
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5413 Rejected promotion request11:41
alteregowtf ..11:41
alterego"No dsc file found" ?11:42
lbtno-one told you?11:44
lbtwe're moving to .debs now11:44
lbttry and keep up...11:44
alteregolbt: any ideas what's wrong there? It must be an old package that hasn't been updated since boss.11:46
alteregoThough July 16 isn't that old ..11:47
lbtthat really doesn't make sense11:47
lbtphaeron's gone to sleep too11:47
alteregoOh well, hopefully someone can pick it up soon.11:48
alteregoNo rush, just a couple of packages updated to support the Nokia wired headsets in the N95011:48
alterego\ N911:48
faenilw00t, have you looked into the PR for qmlgallery by any chance?11:48
lbtyep is the process being used11:52
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lbtit's not supposed to run the one that failed...?11:52
* alterego shrugs11:59
alteregonot my package :)11:59
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alteregolbt: is there a nice way to make mer-sdk-chroot mount, mount tmpfs on /var/tmp/oscbuild ?12:03
Aardalterego: use lxc? ;)12:04
alteregolinux containers aye ..12:05
alteregoNever heard of it :P12:05
alteregoSounds like vz12:06
alteregovirtuozo, openvz or whatever it is.12:06
Aardkind of, just in more sane, and without messing around in the kernel yourself12:06
* alterego should probably shower soon12:18
msalmelaI'm trying to build mer image, but I get this during mic: Error <creator>: URLGrabber error:
lbtmsalmela: that sounds like you're trying to build an SDK image12:37
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msalmelalbt: That's true, I was following instructions on
lbtOK - just checking :)12:48
Stskeepsso the instructions there fail?12:48
lbtmsalmela: can you pastebin the command and output ?12:50
msalmelasudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz2 /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mic/3rdparty/pykickstart/commands/ UserWarning: A repo with the name mer-cross-tools has already been defined.   warnings.warn(_("A repo with the name %s has already been defined.") % Info: Retrieving repo metadata:  Error <creator>: URLGrabber error:
msalmelaSorry, I'll try agoin12:50
msalmelasudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz212:51
msalmela /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/mic/3rdparty/pykickstart/commands/ UserWarning: A repo with the name mer-cross-tools has already been defined.12:51
lbtuse a pastebin please12:51
lbteg gist.github.com12:52
msalmelaOk: does this work
lbtand yet that url is correct12:54
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lbtcan you curl it from the SDK ?12:54
msalmelaNot inside SDK, works outside.12:58
lbtcheck what /etc/resolv.conf links to in SDK13:04
lbtshould be /parentroot/etc/resolv.conf13:04
lbtthat may in turn be a symlink to /var/run/resolv.conf13:05
lbtthat could be the issue13:05
lbt(fixed in next SDK btw)13:05
lbtto fix, link to /parentroot/var/run/resolv.conf (or whatever it is)13:05
lbtthat should give you tcp in the SDK13:05
* lbt -> shower ...13:06
lbtok - I assume that worked then ... -> Tango ... bbiab13:22
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faenilspecial, ping13:45
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faenilmm am I the lonely knight today? :D14:05
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faenilStskeeps, any news about coming nemo releases? Sage never got back to me :)14:12
Stskeepsmsalmela: does it work better now?14:13
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Stskeepsfaenil: soon enough.. new mer release coming14:41
Stskeepsi think that's what he's waitng for14:41
faenilok I see14:41
faenildo you know if Robin is coming online today?14:42
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faenilhey Venemo_N915:02
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Venemo_N9what's up faenil? :)15:03
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faenilVenemo_N9, waiting for someone to merge my Pull Request :) I could do that myself, but I'd rather wait someone else to review it ;) just to be sure15:04
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Venemo_N9lol faenil15:08
Venemo_N9how can someone become part of the team?15:09
faenilwhat do you mean?15:11
faenilyou mean to be able to accept pull requests?15:11
Venemo_N9yes, that sort of thing15:12
Venemo_N9and in general too15:12
faenilI think you have to be part of "developers team" on github15:13
Venemo_N9yes, that much I know15:13
Venemo_N9the question wasn't a technical one15:13
faeniloh I see...don't know about burocracy, I think someone put me into that groupo long time ago15:14
faenilStskeeps, maybe you can help him?15:20
Stskeepsask w00t15:23
faenilyeah w00t would be better, but he seems to be busy today :)15:25
w00tI'll be more around later, I'm not really around much atm15:30
w00tVenemo_N9: there's not really any hard policy, apart from being sane, contributing good stuff on a regular basis and wanting access15:31
faenilw00t, ok, I'll be waiting, will be here for 2 more hours before I have to leave15:35
faenilw00t, do you think you'll have some time before I leave?15:37
faeniljust to review my PR ;)15:37
faenilhope he will :P15:46
Venemo_N9okay thank you w00t15:47
w00tfaenil: special said he'll review it, so wait for him15:52
faenilw00t, ok thanks ;)15:54
Venemo_N9hey Andy8015:59
Venemo_N9any luck with git?15:59
Andy80Venemo_N9: hi!16:01
Andy80Venemo_N9: yeah, git is ok, I'm just "lost" with all required steps to have a working MerSDK env16:01
Andy80I'm installing SDB2 right now..16:02
msalmelaStskeeps: Sorry, I was away for a while. I noticed that /etc/resolv.conf and /parentroot/etc/resolv.conf have same content. I'll study this briefly and get back.16:04
msalmelaThe curl hangs on SDK and outside it works OK16:07
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Stskeepsare you behind a proxy?16:11
msalmelaMost probably, inside Nokia premises16:13
msalmelaVoila, defined proxy and curl test worked. Let's try the compilation16:17
alteregow00t: how close are you from having a declarative plugin I can use to get contact from phone numbers?16:23
msalmelaNo luck on mic, still the same error. Is there option for verbose and where I should put it16:23
Stskeepsmic -dv16:24
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msalmelaStskeeps: Does this reveal anything about the mic urlgrabber error?16:35
Stskeepsmsalmela: see if
Stskeepshelps any16:39
msalmelaI'll do that16:39
alteregoIs it better to use annotated tags, or lightweight tags in git for version tags?16:40
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alteregoThink I'll just do a lightweight one.16:44
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Venemo_N9I disapprove of this weather.16:56
Venemo_N9it feels like being cooked alive16:57
alteregoKinda cold here16:58
Venemo_N9where's that?16:58
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5415 Rejected promotion request16:58
alteregoAre you bloody kidding ..16:58
Venemo_N9no I'm not16:59
Venemo_N9by the way, I have a question about packaging shared libraries17:00
Venemo_N9make outputs a single .so file. how do I get .so.0 and .so.0.x files into the package?17:01
Venemo_N9I vaguely recall them being symlinks but I forgot the details17:02
Venemo_N9do you guys know something about this?17:03
Stskeepscheck existing libs17:09
Stskeepsso.0 is a soname thing17:09
w00tthe build system is supposed to deal with them for you (qmake with TEMPLATE = lib should deal with it fine)17:11
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Venemo_N9do you guys have any experience with the QML PathView element?17:25
Venemo_N9I'm thinking about whether or not m it's a suitable replacement for ListView17:25
faenilgtg, cya guys!17:27
Venemo_N9because the listview can't cycle17:29
mike7b4Venemo_N9  it can also be a good solution in irccjatter imho to swipe sideways to show userlist/channels harmattan api showcas has an example using PathView that waye17:29
Venemo_N9mike7b4, that's a good idea to17:30
Venemo_N9mike7b4, what exactly are you suggesting for IRC chatter?17:31
mike7b4swipe left shows channel list and right show users an center chatwindow. see systeminfo harmattan example to get what i mean  :)17:33
Venemo_N9installing the stuff17:33
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Venemo_N9hm, is that a path view?17:46
Venemo_N9that is nice17:46
Venemo_N9that pager is exactly what I need17:46
Venemo_N9mike7b4, is this app open source?17:46
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mike7b4Venemo_N9 yes there is a tar file havent check what licens but..17:46
Venemo_N9mike7b4, there I'd one issue though. this gesture would conflict with the text selection feature17:46
mike7b4hmm yeah17:46
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Venemo_N9mike7b4, thank you for pointing me to that example, that pager is exactly what I needed18:20
msalmelaStskeeps: It looks like editing mic.conf helped18:27
Venemo_N9I will implement a similar thing for the new home screen18:27
Stskeepsmsalmela: did you export http_proxy etc before mic run?18:28
Stskeepsif that didn't work, please file a bug in bugs.merproject.org18:29
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Andy80I'm trying to follow these instructions to build a simple hello.c under MerSDK but I'm getting these errors:
msalmelaStskeeps: I exited sdk to get clear table and then set proxy and no_proxy to mic.conf and that was all.18:36
Venemo_N9Andy80, have you set up a target?18:37
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Andy80Venemo_N9: I don't know, I'm following the instructions of that wiki page and I'm exactly at this point: "SB2 Detailed setup information"18:38
Andy80(damn if this netbook keyboard sucks!!!!)18:39
Venemo_N9Andy80, that command will not work until you set up the target.18:39
Venemo_N9actually, I think the wiki page mentions this to18:39
Andy80Venemo_N9: but I've executed all the previous commands... what I'm missing?18:40
Andy80how do I setup a target?18:40
ajalkane /quit18:41
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Andy80oh wait...18:41
StskeepsAndy80: walk me through the steps you did18:41
Andy80probably I forgot to run "sb-init"18:41
Stskeepsmsalmela: OK, it should naturally work with export http_proxy just18:41
Andy80let me repeat the previous section18:42
Sagefaenil: soon :)18:42
StskeepsSage: xorg has a weird crash (signal 6) on exopc but otherwise boots18:42
Andy80oh no wait18:42
Andy80i DID execute sb-init like written in the instructions: sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-arm-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc18:42
StskeepsAndy80: where did you do the sb2-init inside?18:43
Stskeepslike, what directory18:43
Andy80cd /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer18:43
Andy80that one18:43
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Andy80like the wiki says18:43
Stskeepsok, can i see hello.c ?18:43
Andy80Stskeeps: ok... I officially hate this netbook :( I wrognly pasted a line damn!!!18:44
StskeepsAndy80: get a mouse :)18:44
Stskeepsthat's what i did18:45
Stskeepsbest 5 bucks i ever spent18:45
SageStskeeps: it segfaults but second time it comes up?18:45
StskeepsSage: yes18:45
Andy80Stskeeps: I don't have one at the moment :( anyway... it compiled this time, thanks anyway ;)18:45
StskeepsSage: btw, can you remove the busybox from one of your projects?18:45
Stskeepsit makes the build impossible for armv7hl18:45
SageI've seen that but I wouldn't consider that as a blocker for the release.18:45
SageStskeeps: which one?18:45
Stskeepsit conflicts with kmod18:46
Venemo_N9Andy80, what netbook  is that?18:46
Andy80Venemo_N9: Asus 1215P but my hands are really not made for a netbook :(18:47
StskeepsSage: thanks18:47
StskeepsSage: trying to solve dracut atm18:47
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Venemo_N9Andy80 :(18:48
SageI'll do new nemo snapshot for all today before new mer release gets hit to repos.18:48
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5407 Accepted promotion request18:52
alteregoStskeeps: can you look at SR 5413?18:55
alteregoNot sure why it failed.18:55
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5416 waiting for review at
Sagealterego: telepathyqt... you already have telepathy voice? :)18:59
alteregoSage: no, just stubbed, I'll be working on that when I finish some contact integration18:59
alteregoSo it's there, but not exactly working yet :)18:59
alteregoSage: when you get a chance could you look at what I did wrong with 5413?19:01
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5409 Rejected promotion request19:01
Sagealterego: boss.conf file isn't mentioned in the Sources list. Because of that it wouldn't end up to the .src.rpm and thus request failed. So add that to the sources and you are ok. No need to add it to the packaging but just as source so it goes to src.rpm19:02
Sagew00t: ping19:03
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Sageor actually phaeron ping :)19:04
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5416 Accepted promotion request19:04
Venemo_N9brb ttyl19:05
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5417 waiting for review at
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5417 Accepted promotion request19:15
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* alterego ponders how to auto update .spec file with appropriate version.19:26
alteregoActually, I know ..19:26
alteregoCool, now I have auto .spec generation and auto archive creation :)19:33
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Stskeepsas long as you don't set up your own jenkins instance..19:34
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alteregoHeh, I just adapted a makedist from an old meego project, which formats packages as A.B.C+gitX.hash19:35
alteregoGenerates the .tar.gz file and creates a .spec with the appropriate version tag in it.19:35
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* Sage ponders if qmsystem is only used for messaging in Nemo atm.20:02
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Sage <- someone with qt .pro file experience?20:08
Sageshouldn't that work like that?20:09
special{ may needs to be on the same line as packagesExist, iirc20:09
SageFFS who wrote this shit? :D20:09
VenemoSage, see
Sagesure that works, but why?!?! :)20:11
specialthe parser is newline sensitive20:12
specialtechnically packagesExist(x)\n{ could be ambiguous (as a function call or a scope)20:12
VenemoSage, welcome to our world20:13
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Sagelive and learn ;)20:14
phaeronSage: yes ?20:17
Sageshouln't I be able to accept/reopen request after boss has declined it?20:20
SageI recall doing that before from the webui but now it doesn't show me the option20:22
phaeronSage: only requester can revoke / reopen , but that's not handled by boss anyway20:23
Sagephaeron: isn't that a boss bug that reject anyway btw?20:24
phaeronmost probably obs empty response20:24
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* Sage hates those so much20:25
SageI could reopen from cmdline :)20:28
phaeronwhy reopen anyway20:30
Sageso that I can accept it20:31
Sagereopened and accepted manually because of boss failed like that20:32
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Sage <- alterego, w00t, Aard, who else might be interested about try to drop some stuff from qmsystem. Need to check if that causes problems with other stuff.20:33
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Sageok, so other stuff fails so not good / needs more work20:38
phaeronSage: so when a request is rejected due to some reason and you don't agree you just reopen and accept it ?20:39
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Sagephaeron: nah, only when I see that it failed because of no reason like this time20:40
Sagebuild trial succeeded and boss failed20:40
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VenemoSage, what is qmsystem?20:44
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Sagewell, something we want to get rid of in Nemo. As stated in that page even nokia didn't recommend using it for sensors but qt-mobility instead20:49
Sageonly thing that is using that atm. is sysuid and couple of controlpanel applets20:49
Venemoso they didn't recommend using it20:50
Sageand main usecase is the system messages that are shown atm :)20:50
Venemobut they used it themselves20:50
Venemothat's so nokiay20:50
Sagerefactoring not completed (tm)20:50
VenemoSage, do you know whether the qt mobility sensors still use polling?20:51
Sageno idea20:51
VenemoI recall DocScrutinizer having a complaint a year or two ago that some implementation of qt-mobility used polling. which is as wasteful as it gets.20:52
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DocScrutinizer05well, seems not much has changed since ;-) Just now it's others that complain, since I already did several times20:53
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VenemoDocScrutinizer05, really? so do they still poll?20:53
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DocScrutinizer05last time I listened to somebody else complaining (was it here in this chan even?) it seemed like little has changed20:54
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DocScrutinizer05nah, probably been over at #mer20:54
DocScrutinizer05wasn't it even you who heard about it from me in #maemo or #harmattan and complained to stskeeps in one of the mer/nemo chans?20:55
VenemoDocScrutinizer05, it was me, yes. but that was in the #meego times, very long ago20:56
DocScrutinizer05hmm, really?20:56
DocScrutinizer05time goes by, incredible20:56
Venemoincredible indeed DocScrutinizer0520:56
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DocScrutinizer05I recall the final ultimate 'excuse' back when been "somebody else polls anyway, so we can do too"20:59
DocScrutinizer05which is :-x20:59
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DocScrutinizer05powertop will tell21:00
DocScrutinizer05it's just funny how EE gives their weekends, an arm and a leg, to save some 2mA of quiescent current somewhere, to get better standby time, and then SW spills the game lightheaded21:02
DocScrutinizer05just because they never wrapped their head around IRQ-event-driven design21:03
DocScrutinizer05which EE put in all their expertise to enable it21:04
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DocScrutinizer05basically you should think of each single SIGALARM event cost you 2$21:06
DocScrutinizer05then try to make a living with your code21:06
DocScrutinizer05this approach yields surprisingly good results21:07
VenemoDocScrutinizer05, well actually, looking at qtmobility documentation, it seems to be better now.21:07
DocScrutinizer05(of course you need to count in all the flavours, like usleep() and whatnot)21:07
Venemoof course I'd need to actually read the code to be sure.21:08
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DocScrutinizer05Venemo: it's been zeq:
DocScrutinizer052 months ago21:25
VenemoI see21:26
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vogelhello everybody!22:53
vogeli want to start hacking something on nemo/mer, i hope I can get help there sometimes when I need it22:55
wmarone__what are you hoping to do?22:56
vogelfix some bugs on the bugzilla first22:57
vogelor second, first I need to install my own hello world on virtualbox and run it22:57
Venemovogel, there are lots of helpful people around, so feel free to ask :)23:01
Venemousually, we are mostly active in EU day hours23:02
vogelthats cool23:02
vogeli hope i wont get only RTFM or something ;p23:02
VenemoI said helpful!23:02
vogelis anyone using virtualbox for development?23:03
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DocScrutinizer05RTFM? lol, if there only were any ;-P23:07
VenemoDocScrutinizer05, there are, actually.23:08
Venemowell ok, depending on the topic.23:08
Venemothe upside is that what's documented is documented quite well23:09
DocScrutinizer05probably the best docu I ever seen came with/for NeXTstep and the cube23:10
VenemoI should have been sleeping for hours now23:14
Venemoso, goodbye and have a nice evening guys :)23:14
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vogelfirst problem solved! i've got working terminal ;)23:18
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vogelbye, cya later23:21
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