Monday, 2012-08-06

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GeneralAntilles#meego's now officially bumped for #nemomobile. Good times, good times.01:23
the-bossGeneralAntilles: Error: "meego's" is not a valid command.01:23
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jukkaeklundwoo, downloading new Nemo image06:03
tadzikoh, new nemo!06:04
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tadzikno release notes anywhere?06:07
Stskeepsthink that's probably coming during today06:08
Stskeepssage does sleep once in a while06:08
tadzikhehe, okay :)06:09
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SageStskeeps: :)06:48
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Sageno release notes that is true06:48
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alteregoSage: did you manage to get anywhere with qmsystem lastnight?06:55
Venemo_N9good morning :)06:55
alteregoGood moaning06:55
Venemo_N9how're you alterego?06:56
alteregoJust booting up ;)07:03
Sagealterego: yes and no. I stripped out stuff, and realized that we need some of it :)07:05
alteregolol07:05
Sagealterego: please push everything else to the project with creq except that -daemon that depends on qmsystem07:05
alteregoOkay, And that's CE:MW:MTF?07:06
Sageit is the one I asked you to push last time, you should know ;)07:06
Venemo_N9alterego, and I found out that what I need can be done with a PathView instead of a ListView07:06
alteregoVenemo_N9: should only use path view if you want some different transforms.07:07
alteregoWhich could be cool07:07
alteregoSage: a yes wowuld have been fine :P07:08
faenilI asked for three days the last days to push changes and now new nemo image is released? :(07:09
faenilok, they will go in next release ... :)07:10
Venemo_N9alterego, actually the path view can cycle and list view can not.07:10
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5421 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/542107:10
Venemo_N9which is reason enough07:11
faenilare we going back to a release every 2 weeks? or still "release when it makes sense" ? :D07:11
alteregoVenemo_N9: fair point.07:11
Venemo_N9interestingly, I haven't even heard about path view until a few days ago07:12
faenilSage, ^07:12
Venemo_N9alterego, but transition animations is also a cool idea07:12
alteregoReally? Path view is awesome.07:13
alteregoThis was pathview: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/guitar_chords_20110817_02.png07:13
alterego:)07:13
Venemo_N9I've seen some pretty cool examples too07:13
Venemo_N9:)07:14
Sagefaenil: when it makes sense more atm. :)07:16
faenilSage, ok thanks07:17
faenilguys, I'm leaving to the beach! See you tonight! :)07:18
faenilfor* the beach07:18
alteregofaenil: lucky bugger :P07:19
Venemo_N9faenil, have a good time! :)07:23
w00tSage: I guess we don't want the next one to take quite so long though :-p07:24
Sagew00t: nobody wants that. But in general people should get used to do update on the device and we should also look a bit to the update process more.07:27
w00tSage: we definitely should have a good/working update path07:27
Sagefor example the packages application could use some love to clean it up and unify with other apps.07:27
w00tbut reflashing is good to be able to test if things work from a "clean" image07:27
SageReleasing new image is not so good as that means users just loose everythingon the image.07:27
Sagew00t: true07:27
Ionakkahttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226   <--- would someone happen to know if the controlpanel and the applets have been maintained recently?07:27
StskeepsIonakka: the wifi applet is for sure maintained07:28
Stskeepsgrab the new nemo image (released last night)07:28
w00tSage: I didn't even know we had a packages application *ahem*07:29
IonakkaStskeeps: any clue how to find the active git repo?07:30
Stskeepshttps://github.com/nemomobile/meegotouchcp-connman possibly?07:31
Sagew00t: heh we have https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/mg-package-manager/07:31
IonakkaStskeeps: thanks \o/07:31
SageStskeeps: we should define some package groups for packages application where users should place their packages so it is easy to find. Not sure should this be done in Nemo/Mer or both.07:34
StskeepsSage: i can say as much as that we need to list where to find git repos and stuff in nemo07:35
w00tStskeeps: I started drafting some docs on basic processes/contribution last night, will see if I can polish that up in the car home today..07:38
Stskeepsw00t: ok07:38
Stskeepsw00t: don't drive and develop07:38
Stskeeps:P07:38
w00tthat's what i have brik for07:38
SageStskeeps: from URL in the .spec files. If it is not mentioned file a bug against nemo and it will be added.07:39
Stskeepsok07:39
Sageeverything should have git tree or url mentioned in .spec where upstream can be found.07:39
Stskeepsyes, but we need a more highlevel view for that :P07:42
w00tlike "try upstream your patches, don't just dump them in OBS"07:44
w00t"especially try upstream them if they're something we maintain"07:44
w00tthings that should probably be commonsense, but aren't if you're new here07:44
Venemo_N9w00t, Sage, I can have a look at the packages app and see what I can do about it07:46
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Venemo_N9apart from the horrible UI, is there any functional issues?07:50
SageVenemo_N9: I think atm. main issues are in the UI.07:50
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SageVenemo_N9: one thing that would be nice is to get more information during steps if that is possible. Some of the steps in there take very long and waiting the circle to go round and rounds doesn't feel nice for minutes :)07:51
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Sageso some text what is going on would be nice07:51
w00tscreen not turning on, LED flashing quickly07:52
w00twhat did i do07:52
dm8tbrsounds like empty battery?07:52
Venemo_N9Sage, okay. I think the general user experience could be improved too07:52
Venemo_N9is it a QML app?07:53
w00tdm8tbr: i'd hope not, it's been sitting on the charger the past 20 minutes and was working fine until now07:53
Venemo_N9w00t, reflash?07:54
alteregouh-oh07:54
w00thuh, it's rebooting07:54
* w00t wonders -wtf- happened07:54
alteregow00t: also, what about my contact model you promised? ;)07:54
SageVenemo_N9: yes, yes07:55
w00talterego: I have other things I have to do first, I'll get to that this week07:55
Sagew00t: with contacts, adding new contact and then selecting the contact crashes contacts app07:56
alteregow00t: cool, as long as it doesn't balls up my sprint :D07:56
w00tSage: wth07:56
w00tok, good, I can reproduce it07:56
w00tI wonder when that happened07:56
Venemo_N9alright, I'll be back later :)07:57
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w00tand of course, it doesn't crash on desktop07:57
Sagew00t: heh :)07:58
w00tdo we have valgrind for ARM packaged?08:03
Stskeepsyes08:03
Stskeepshome:mdn i think08:03
w00tMer:Tools:Testing apparently?08:04
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Stskeepsor that08:05
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w00tvalgrind:    On Debian, Ubuntu:                 libc6-dbg08:13
w00tvalgrind:    On SuSE, openSuSE, Fedora, RHEL:   glibc-debuginfo08:13
w00tStskeeps: what're we for that?08:13
Stskeepsglibc-debuginfo08:14
w00talready tried that, and can't find it08:14
w00tunless it's living somewhere weird08:14
Stskeepsyou might need to enable the repo in /etc/zypp/repos.d08:14
* w00t wonders if he should make some bugs about R&D-type images08:14
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aaporantalainenStskeeps, I think time is slightly past 8 (UTC)08:18
Stskeepsaaporantalainen: uhh..08:19
Stskeepsaaporantalainen: my apologies, let me just see where things went wrong08:19
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Stskeepsaaporantalainen: i had another entry with somebody else's name that was kinda weird08:19
aaporantalainenstskeeps, no problem08:20
rantomI'm getting "No MMC card found" with the new image of Nemo. Can it be battery related?08:22
Stskeepsin uboot?08:23
rantomYes08:23
rantomAnd just booted Maemo, the battery appears to be more than 50 % left08:23
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rantomOk, seems to be an issue with my MMC-card08:30
rantomEither the Transcend is broken or the support is broken08:31
rantomSanDisk, IIRC, booted up fine08:31
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rantomSeven (7) bugs found08:47
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nsuffysHi09:24
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nsuffysI flashed latest build of nemo for my N900 and always have the wifi issue.. connected but no data transfert09:25
nsuffysWPA2 not fully supported ?09:25
nsuffysSo I've Fonera2 WiFi N.... can't login to the sedond open SSID09:26
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rantomHmm, this is interesting09:42
rantomIsn't the extraction to /media/Alt_OS supposed to overwrite the old Nemo with the new one?09:43
rantomSince I had my Wifi-settings and other like that from earlier saved in there09:43
Stskeepsno09:43
rantomTha image was new but the old settings were there09:43
rantomAh, ok09:43
rantomSe erasing /media/Alt_OS should fix that, right?09:44
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5422 Rejected promotion request09:49
w00tSage: found the crash09:49
w00tSage: pushed a fixed nemo-qml-plugins to home:w00t:branches:CE:MW:Shared, but I need to go to the bank now, so I haven't had time to test that yet, I'll do that (and push to nemo) tonight09:51
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vogelhello09:57
alteregoAard: what time is sprint meeting?09:57
Stskeepshello vogel :)09:57
Stskeepsalterego: wrong channel..09:57
alteregooops,09:57
vogelanyone can help me with running helloworld on nemo on virtualbox?09:57
alteregoBloody screen and two irssi sessions :D09:57
Stskeepsvogel: how far are you in the setup?09:58
vogeli have working virtual box nemo and working helloworld on qt simulator09:58
Stskeepsok, and you'd like to deploy from helloworld to the virtualbox?09:59
vogelyes09:59
vogeli did it by scp09:59
vogelbut it didn't work09:59
Stskeepsfollowing https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK ?10:00
vogelyes10:00
vogelthe executable is created for ARM10:00
vogelbut virtual box is just x8610:00
vogeli think it may be the issue ;)10:00
vogelis it possible to install gdb on device?10:02
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Sagew00t: ok10:28
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5423 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/542310:35
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5421 Accepted promotion request10:46
msalmelaHow long the first bootup of Nemo on N900 lasts? My N900 have been stuck about 20 minutes on 'mtdoops: ready 47, 48 (no erase)'10:52
Stskeepsmsalmela: is your back cover on?10:52
msalmelaStskeeps: Yes, but it wasn't at the beginning. Is that bad, should I try again?10:54
Stskeepsmsalmela: yes, pull battery, put battery back in, back cover on, boot10:54
Stskeepsback cover off = no access by kernel to sd card10:54
msalmelaStskeeps: All right, looks like I'm getting it.10:59
Stskeepsgood10:59
w00tare emmc installs still impossible, i wonder?11:02
Stskeepsnot impossible, just impractical11:02
w00tmm11:07
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alteregoI think we worked out the eMMC was about equiv to a good C4 or C6 card.12:07
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vogelhello again12:31
vogelis anyone here developing for meego/nemo using any emulator like qemu or virtualbox?12:32
Stskeepswe do with virtualbox12:32
vogelhow to set up qtcreator for this?12:33
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5423 Accepted promotion request12:39
vogelStskeeps: could you help me?12:41
Stskeepsvogel: sec12:42
vogelStskeeps: no need to hurry ;)12:42
Stskeepsvogel: ah.. guide says x8612:42
Stskeeps?12:42
Stskeepserr, arm12:42
Stskeepsit doesn't have x86 target?12:42
vogelI have working nemo on virtualbox but I'm not able to run a simple hello world application on it12:42
Stskeepsyes12:43
vogelon vbox I have i68612:43
Stskeepsdoes qtsdk support a x86 target for harmattan?12:44
vogelit has only Harmattan Target without info about architecture12:45
Stskeepsok12:47
vogeldo you have any idea what should I do or what should I read?12:48
vogelbuying N9 is not an option for now ;)12:48
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LaoLang_coolhi, I'm new, I'm a n900 user12:51
vogelwhat about scratchbox ?12:51
vogelis it worth looking at?12:51
Stskeepsvogel: it's an option but more command line oriented12:52
LaoLang_coolI see a news that nemo is actively developed for n900, I got exciting for it12:52
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alteregoLaoLang_cool: welcome :)12:59
Stskeepsalterego: do you have your stuff documented anywhere?12:59
LaoLang_coolI want to make a check, can I use n900 as a phone if I installed nemo?13:00
alteregoalterego: how do you mean?13:00
alteregoErm, what stuff exactly?13:00
LaoLang_coolSay, calling, send/receive text message, get mms message13:00
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alteregoLaoLang_cool: calling and texting broke recently and we're updating those areas heavily at the moment. But we're developing them rapidly and everything should be working properly in a few weeks or so. MMS currently isn't supported, that's something we need to look in to.13:01
LaoLang_coolalterego, good work, thank you!13:02
LaoLang_coolwhen mms is ready, I should switch to nemo :)13:02
alterego:)13:02
alteregoWell, you can always try it now if you have a spare micro SD card, we're always interested in feedback, and if you feel that you can pitch in in some area/s, you're welcome to do that also.13:03
LaoLang_coolalterego, but I need mms function, so I can't try it until mms can work :(13:04
alteregoLaoLang_cool: you can try it without a SIM card plugged in.13:05
LaoLang_coolI need to learn the difference between nemo and maemo, is there anything I can read?13:05
alteregoSo you ensure you don't get any MMS', calls, texts, etc. Whilst you're looking around.13:05
LaoLang_coolalterego, can you give a version that calling and texting work?13:05
LaoLang_coolI'm looking at http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/13:06
alteregoLaoLang_cool: well, they are basically working now, though currently there's no ringtone as that's causing some issues with the audio framework.13:06
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LaoLang_coolalterego, from the install instruction, I need a sdcard to install nemo, can I install it in n900 directly instead?13:09
LaoLang_coolI have disappointed with phone functions that maemo provides :)13:10
LaoLang_coolI want to replace maemo with nemo, and will use n900 as a phone when nemo can do it13:11
alteregoLaoLang_cool: you can, but it's better to use sd card.13:11
LaoLang_coolalterego, ok, downloading 0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2, will try it in there days13:12
LaoLang_coolalterego, any introduction to nemo?13:14
LaoLang_coolI'm new at all, need some knowledagement on it :)13:14
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LaoLang_coolDoes nemo have vim ported?13:17
LaoLang_coolwhere can I check the packages nemo has?13:17
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LaoLang_cooloh, I need to leave, will be back tommorrow, see you guys!13:22
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msalmelaAs a newbie small push would be welcome. Err, where is package/codes for instance settings application?13:52
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vogelyeah! i got hello world running under scratchbox ;)14:15
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Ionakka<msalmela> As a newbie small push would be welcome. Err, where is package/codes for instance settings application?   <--- instance settings?14:20
Stskeepsmeegotouch-controlpanel14:22
Ionakkahmm... is the same repo @ gitorious being still used?14:27
Stskeepsafaik14:32
Ionakkahttps://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226#c5   <--- rozhkov: as it looks like you're maintaining libconnman-qt & meegotouchcp-connman (making latest changes to the repos) would be good to hear your opinions about the comment14:32
Ionakkaotherwise i could start writing patches for both tomorrow14:32
alteregoNote: The user shouldn't do an update over SSH on their device. Especially when connman is being updated ..14:34
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Ionakkahmm... does the ssh connection work when connman is shut down?14:40
Ionakkameaning if i stop connman, will something bad (like losing connection) happen14:40
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rozhkovIonakka: i think the comment in the bug makes sense. though i don't know what would be the best way to implement such property14:46
rozhkovIonakka: and yes, stopping connman usually breaks connections14:50
Ionakkarozhkov: NetworkManager (from libconnman-qt) uses QDBusServiceWatcher to see (un)registrations for "net.connman" on system bus14:51
Ionakkashouldn't be hard to store the variable into NetworkingModel as read-only variable14:51
Ionakka<rozhkov> Ionakka: and yes, stopping connman usually breaks connections   <--- though this can cause some testing challenges ;)14:52
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rozhkovIonakka: yes, sounds good. N950 with hw keyboard helped me a lot :)14:53
Ionakkarozhkov: not that lucky with my n9 :D14:54
Ionakkathough everything should be possible with a terminal app & vkb14:54
Ionakka(especially if i can use it to invoke ifconfig while connman is not running)14:55
rozhkovIonakka: you may like FingerTerm then14:55
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msalmelaSage: Thanks about info for controlpanel. Can I compile it with QtCreator? I already tried but I got errors, most propably I have wrong version of QtSDK.15:31
msalmelaIt complined that Q_INTERFACES (DcpAppletIf) is undefined interface in aboutapplet.h15:33
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Ionakka<msalmela> It complined that Q_INTERFACES (DcpAppletIf) is undefined interface in aboutapplet.h   <--- you have the dcp devel headers?15:51
Ionakkahmm no... you'15:52
Ionakkare compiling the control panel itself o.O15:52
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Sagemsalmela: well, in theory yes, but in practise that might be hard to compile with qtcreator16:07
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w00tgood evening, all18:20
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rcgevening18:30
Stskeepsevening rcg18:30
rcghow's it going?18:31
Stskeepsquite good18:31
Stskeepscleaning up my android-gpu-drivers-on-mer prototype18:31
ggoebelo/18:31
Stskeepshello ggoebel :)18:32
rcggreat18:33
rcg"android-gpu-drivers-on-mer"? sounds interesting :)18:33
Stskeepsrcg: sec18:33
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Stskeepsrcg: https://plus.google.com/113386402913695079840/posts/AeWgdNikXBP18:34
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rcgStskeeps, now that's very cool :)18:37
Stskeepsrcg: time to strike back :)18:38
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sivangphaeron: hello :)20:23
phaeronhi20:24
sivangcan anybody please point me to the wiki page for building an image for n950? (I have it sorted for raw, but I just tired that and it failed - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1133183/)20:24
sivangphaeron: I seem to fail to find instruction for building for n950's hw, perhaps it is the hour ;)20:24
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sivangphaeron: might you have an idea what I'm doing wrong, or is this an issue with the sdk? ;) ^20:28
sivang(doubt it)20:28
phaeronsivang: try recent ks like from http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950 ?20:28
sivangphaeron: ah okay, last time I looked there were the July ones, thanks!20:29
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sivangphaeron: what does the '0.20120614.1' number signifies btw?20:30
sivang(that was confusing to me)20:30
phaeronmer release it is based on I think20:31
sivangphaeron: k, thanks.20:33
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5426 Rejected promotion request20:33
alteregowhat ..20:34
alteregooh ffs20:35
sivangfinally, new image building for n950 seem to work.20:35
* sivang just needs much faster net connection now.20:35
sivangphaeron: hmm odd, same error20:35
* sivang suspect net conection20:37
phaeroncan you run it with -v or -d (mic -d create)20:37
* sivang does20:38
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5427 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/542720:38
alteregoSo, I submit a request, it fails.20:39
alteregoI do it again, it passes ..20:39
* alterego senses Boss has some mood swing issues.20:39
sivangphaeron: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1133222/20:40
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phaerondunno maybe you need to upgrade mic20:43
phaeronSage: ^^20:43
alteregoHurp, is it possible to get the PID from a dbus service name?20:45
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Venemoalterego: I don't know offhand, but it may be possible. did google tell you anything?21:02
alteregoDoesn't matter now, found out what I needed to know.21:03
alteregoSage: do you know why some plugins aren't compiled in ohm-plugins-misc ?21:07
alteregoNamely the playback plugin?21:07
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Sagephaeron: that is because lbt didn't push the new mer release yet :/21:31
Sagelibudev soname changed21:31
Sageso everything using needs rebuild against new one21:32
Sagealterego: nobody has asked them or something else.21:32
Sagealterego: no specific reason if not mentioned in .changes file21:32
Sagealterego: remove ldconfig from commhistory daemon it doesn't have any .so files21:33
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5427 Rejected promotion request21:33
VenemoSage: where is the source of the current package manager app?21:34
SageVenemo: https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/mg-package-manager/21:38
Venemohuh21:40
Venemoyou kidding?21:41
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Venemookay, I like challenges :)21:42
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5428 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/542821:44
Venemostill, I'm shocked that noone has decided to step up and care about this yet.21:46
VenemoSage: also, wouldn't it be nice to merge this with the appsformeego client?21:47
Sagealterego: don't leave empty %post and %postun there. Those create extra shell commands there during installation..21:48
Sagepostinstall program: /bin/sh21:48
Sagepostuninstall program: /bin/sh21:48
SageJust the stuff that makes spectacle nice tool at times ;)21:49
SageVenemo: ?21:49
VenemoSage: the two seem to be redundant. aren't they?21:49
alteregoWell, you should have said remove those sections, rather than just ldconfig :P21:50
Sagealterego: fair enough ;)21:50
* Sage goes to sleep21:50
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vogelhello again21:55
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5429 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/542921:58
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mike7b4_n9nemoreally missing touch vibration in nemo23:08
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ggoebelis there a perl5 eval bot?23:39
ggoebeloops wrong channel23:39

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