Wednesday, 2012-08-22

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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6011 Rejected promotion request01:02
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6012 waiting for review at
* special cheers01:10
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specialwow, a real use case for X11 forwarding03:23
specialI have the phonesim GUI running on device, forwarded to my mac03:24
iekkuand off to work i go ->03:51
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jukkaeklundso lipstick will be replacing mtf-home in next release?05:51
Sagejukkaeklund: not sure yet06:06
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6012 Accepted promotion request06:08
w00tjukkaeklund, but you can try it now if you're game06:09
jukkaeklundI could try yeah, its been a while06:10
w00tno time like the present to get back to it hey?06:13
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Sagehmmp... when settings is opened and is not touched it seems to consume cpu, I wonder why06:28
w00thave you left it open on the wifi applet?06:28
Sageno to the main thingy06:29
w00tthat i haven't seen06:29
Sage2.5-3% cpu usage when there on VM06:29
Sageand sysuid is only ~1% on MV06:30
w00tI don't have this on n950 fwiw06:31
* jukkaeklund doing zypper up first, let's see lipstick after that06:34
w00tjukkaeklund: tell me when you're ready and i'll walk you through installing06:35
Sagejukkaeklund: remember to do it in screen and then be sure to leave it to update for a moment when screen goes dark and network disappears06:35
w00twhere "a moment" is 10-15 mins :p06:35
jukkaeklunder, too late..06:35
w00tctrl+c it and restart inside screen?06:35
Sagethat fails if you don't do it on screen as terminal gets killed06:36
jukkaeklundok, re-trying that way06:37
jukkaeklundhow do I its done?06:37
w00tyou don't, hence err on the side of caution and give it some time06:38
w00tyeah, not user-friendly at all..06:38
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6013 waiting for review at
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6014 waiting for review at
w00tSage: did you test that camera fix?06:41
w00twondering if something is wrong my end, since it just says "lens cover closed"06:43
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w00tanyone else game to verify it's not my n950 being stupid? ;)06:49
specialwill try shortly06:49
Sagew00t: moment will handle this mess I'm in first :)06:50
w00tSage: np, presumed you were busy06:50
* Sage ponders if he could use aggregatepac in the future to copy packges from project to another without loosing build or rel CNT06:53
SageStskeeps, lbt: ^ experience of the cmd?06:53
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6016 waiting for review at
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Sagew00t: works for me07:02
w00twell, that's not good07:02
w00twonder if my n950 is starting to die07:02
Sagerebooted after the patch?07:02
Sagewell then no idea, but camera on my n950 is working07:03
specialw00t: works here too07:05
w00theh... :/07:05
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6014 Accepted promotion request07:07
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6016 Accepted promotion request07:13
niqti would resolve this bug, but is this  duplication?07:15
MerbotBug 273: critical, High, ---, nicola, NEW, Not able to initiate a cellular call07:15
MerbotBug 328: critical, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Dialer application is not opening07:15
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6017 waiting for review at
Sageniqt: it hasn't been triagedd, but you can mark it as duplicated if you want07:16
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w00tokay, now i'm worried07:20
w00tmy n950 is rebooting endlessly07:20
w00tnow it booted after like 8 tries07:22
w00ti really start to suspect hardware is failing07:23
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Sagewhat did you do with it :)07:29
w00ti don't know07:29
w00tbut my fs got corrupted the other day, to the point where it got forced read-only and i couldn't remount it rw07:30
w00tso that, plus the camera, and the spontaneous reboot problem is starting to make me worried07:30
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niqtsorry for trivial question: where is the repository of current dialer?07:45
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6017 Accepted promotion request07:46
w00tniqt: voicecall on github07:47
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niqtw00t: but the .desktop file isn't dialer.desktop (that i found on nemo image)07:51
* w00t shrugs07:52
w00tthat's the repo, and I have no dialer.desktop07:52
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Sagesledges: it might be that I'm usually using shutdown/reboot from terminal and not the UI or power button :P08:06
* w00t doesn't have an n9 running nemo08:06
sledgesSage: could be (we're talking about NEMO#334 here)08:06
sledgeshow is it on N9[50]0?08:07
w00tI've never noticed problems on n95008:07
sledgesalthough VirtualBox behaves the same as N908:07
sledgeswhich project hosts the QMSYSTEM ?08:09
sledges(QM stands for Qt MeeGo I presume ?)08:09
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specialSage: what does "done on firstboot" mean in practice?08:11
w00tsledges: it's probably somewhere on gitorious, or if you mean OBS, i'd expect it in MW08:11
Sagespecial: During first boot there is something that creates the account and does e.g. ~/.telepathy-ring file and then there is IfFileDoesNotExist=~/.telepathy-ring exec account creation08:12
sledgesthanks w00t08:12
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sledgeslooks like gitorious is down lfor me :{08:13
specialSage: ah, k.08:13
jukkaeklundw00t, now screen went black so now I wait?08:16
w00tjukkaeklund: yes08:17
jukkaeklundhow long any indicator when its done?08:17
w00t15-20 minutes, no indicator (unfortunately)08:18
* sledges remembers his Arch or Ubuntu Linuxes updating Xorg, networkmanagers or anything else running - without respective rashes. As overwriting files in *NIX systems does not affect their running copies in memory08:20
w00tthat doesn't help when updating the package kills processes which i think was the case here08:22
sledgesah, so the killing is involved then08:22
w00tnot sure, but that was my impression08:22
sledgesremembering that even N9 PR1.* updates go without crashes, so things will improve in the future for Nemo surely ;)08:23
jukkaeklundyea this experience is really bad, but you know that already..08:25
sledgesno worries -- we have kludges for now ;)08:26
sledgesjust ask here08:26
* sledges was on his head for quite some time now:08:26
w00tas i've said a few times, we really, really need to focus on getting SSU right ASAP08:26
sledgeswe should have a Hot Topic FAQ somewhere08:26
sledgesfrequently updated08:26
sledgessuch as now: updating Nemo, or getting blackscreen in Terminal or vt [Host+Alt+F2] etc.08:27
sledgesor that kernel-adaptation-i586 is broken on VirtualBox ;)08:27
sledgesSeamlessSoftwareUpdates ?08:28
w00tjust creating an FAQ is enough08:29
w00twe shouldn't need a page on how to SSU, it should just work08:29
w00tif we need a full page for that then we're doing it wrong08:29
sledgesor not fixing fast enough :) so should be a bug in NEMO# bz high in red for SSU08:29
w00tafaik the issues involved are already fixed or being fixed (connman in next mer release, uxlaunch being thrown under a bus), we just can't fix what's already broken08:30
sledgesso wait till mer releases for now08:31
niqtthe voice call with last image 2012-08-05 is ok, the bug 273 is on image 7-2 (with other dialer). do i close a bug writing a note?08:32
MerbotBug task, Low, ---, not-taken, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, udev spec file has invalid URL entry08:32
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w00tniqt: there are further problems breaking calls (ofono 1.8) i think, Sage?08:33
sledgesspecial: removing ~/.aegis fixed password forgetting problem on N9 after it got broken due to side-installing Nemo08:39
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faenilo/  \o o/  /° °\08:45
faenileeeee macarena08:45
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faenilI'm running out of time...need to start studying for the next exam soon :/08:57
sledgestough times!08:58
faenil\o/ got qtgstreamer to work!08:58
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neochapayhi where i can get steep by steep instruction to build nemo from sources ?09:03
neochapayi try to build from meego git but it so hard... many errors and so old sources09:05
neochapayi create many patch but it uncool :(09:05
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tukemneochapay, you want to build everything yourself?09:07
tukemI just take a ready image and replace the needed packages09:08
neochapaytukem: yes !09:09
neochapayi whant create ivi system on arm and run it on nemo/meego09:10
sledgesI suppose your IVI is a GUI (UX). Nemo itself is a UX layer, are you going to re-use some of it?09:11
neochapaysledges: my ivi is now.  i whont use only open source components. I can start ubuntu on it but unity so ugly ... kde is not for touch use ... and i like meego !09:14
sledgeswell, meego is end-of-life unfortunately. but fortunately it has risen from ashes in the shape of Mer (as core, no UI, discussed in #mer), and graphics UI layers: Nemo (for smartphones) and KDE Plasma Active 2 (for tablets)09:17
sledgesTizen has an IVI adaptation, too. where they have re-used Qt and MeeGo, and IIRC other MeeGo graphical concepts09:18
sledgess/re-used Qt and MeeGo/re-used Qt and MeeGo's principles/09:19
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neochapaysledges: yes i whont use mer for my ivi09:21
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sledgesif you want to stick to mer, you need to pick a reference graphical layer which is most pleasant to your eye and needs least effort to be shaped into an IVI UX09:23
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sledgesyou said KDE is not for touch use, but it's 'daughter' project Plasma Active 2 does - check it out as well09:24
sledgesit runs on top of mer09:24
neochapaysledges: plasma is not so cool as nemo/meego i like handest us and i whont run it IVI it`s start project next i whont run nemo on HD2 cell :)09:25
neochapaysledges: Plasma Active not so sexy :)))09:26
sledgesc00l, it's up to your enthusiasm now, which I do like :)09:27
neochapaysledges: but where is instruction to build nemo steep-by-steep ?09:28
sledgesNemo is a collection of packages09:28
sledgeswhich are managed/built individually09:28
sledgeswe use OBS (
sledgesand all what everyone needs to know is how to install Nemo first09:29
sledgeson your chosen platform09:29
sledgesif you want to port Nemo to your IVI FriendlyARM09:29
sledgesfirst you need to check if architecture is supported on OBS (ARM11 is it?)09:30
sledgesand on Mer, which you will be building against09:30
neochapayi whont to build it my`s unrealy ?09:31
sledgesnothing is impossible (only impossible takes longer)09:31
sledgesbut it is not the way a distributed/modularised system is built09:32
sledgesyou can have all hundreds packages downloaded locally one by one09:32
sledgesand one by one compiled - loads of manual09:32
sledgesand maintenance overhead (what if they get updates/patches as you go)09:33
sledgeswe do not have a unified source tree for the whole such thing as 'Nemo'09:33
sledgesNemo is under heavy development (centralised), and many of its components are reaplaced by others (we have meegotouch-home being replaced by lipstick QML at the moment for example)09:34
neochapayok byt run lipstic i must build meegotouch and uxlauncher ?09:35
sledgesAFAIK lipstick is independent from those09:36
neochapaysledges: and cellural applications settings and other ?09:39
sledgesneochapay: your Tiny6410 is ARM11 which is arm6v09:39
neochapaysledges: yes but i whont create some patches for system and ux...09:40
w00tneochapay: lipstick is in the repositories, no need to build anything seperate09:40
sledgesI am afradi ARMv6 is too weak for Nemo...09:40
sledgesat least you'd need a powerful GPU with 2D/3D OpenGLES acceleration and working drivers09:46
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sledgesI could not find that info on the website you sourced09:47
neochapaysledges: hm....i`ts not good...09:47
neochapaywhthout 3D nemo can start ?09:48
sledgesyes, but needs 2D accel not to be slow09:48
sledgesso you need OpenGL ES support anyway09:48
faenilis it normal that gstreamer takes 94% cpu tu play (with lag) a 480p video?09:51
sledgesI'm checking this for you now (as I see it can run Qtopia, but only on Mini/Micro2440, not your Tiny....)09:51
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sledgesif it is normal, faenil, then it should not be used :)09:54
faenilI don't have experience with gstreamer so I'm looking for some info :/09:55
faenilSage, who knows something about gstreamer on nemo?09:57
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w00twelcome, gstreamer expert and maintainer09:58
faenilw00t, you?10:00
w00tfaenil: you10:01
faenildamn xD10:01
Sagefaenil: depends what you want to know about :)10:01
faenilSage, hw acc video decoding, current status on nemo and what's needed to enable it10:01
faenilI'm playing with qtgstreamer which I got working, and with qml Video element10:02
faenilbut both are sluggish with a 480p video10:02
sledgesneochapay: looks like the Qtopia build for your FriendlyARM does not have or libraries, and latest versions are of year 2010; you can play around wit Mer on your board (perform the hardware adaptation yourself, crosscompile Mer for ARMv6), launch Xorg and a simple QML viewer and end up with a simple demo, afterwards buy a more potential hardware or somehow obtain grephics card acceleration drivers or reverse engineer it - tho10:02
faenilCPU is at 94% while playing10:02
sledgesescaped, lol, I disabled PART/JOINs on iirc :))10:03
Sagefaenil: well. That is harder thing as those parts are proprietary for n900,n950,n9 afaik.10:04
faenilmmm so no way to get hw acc decoding working on gstreamer ?10:05
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Stskeepsthey're not proprietary but we can't include them in images..10:05
StskeepsARM/N900/DSP on wiki.meego.com10:05
faenilthat's not a problem10:06
faenilwe can just make people download it when they start the player10:06
faeniljust like unix distro do with mp3 codecs10:07
faenilStskeeps, are N900's files supposed to work on N950?10:08
* faenil is excited10:09
faenilnice start, link to Meego's core repo doesn't work :/10:11
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faeniloh, gst-dsp is by Felipe Contreras :)10:13
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faenil"You'll need a kernel with tidspbridge driver"10:17
faenilStskeeps, ^10:17
Stskeepswe have that10:17
faenilgreat, thanks :)10:17
faenilarm-linux-gcc: command not found ... wonder what it has used so far10:25
faenilthe makefile is assuming we use arm-linux-gcc10:26
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faenilgst-dsp, dsp-tools, gst-omapfb built ^^10:32
faenilhow do I create local rpms once I have compiled the sources?10:35
Stskeepsosc build10:36
faenilmm but is that only for repos downloaded from obs?10:36
Stskeepsbtw, .. sources?10:36
Stskeepswhat are you trying to build10:36
faenilgst-dsp, dsp-tools, gst-omapfb10:37
faenilI just compiled them successfully10:37
Stskeepsthose can go on obs just fine, no legal issues there10:37
faenilforced it to use gcc10:37
faenilokay, but do I need obs? because I haven't used obs yet :)10:37
faenilarrghhh :D10:37
faenilI want to learn more but I doubt you guys have some spare time to do that atm...10:38
faenilis there a guide or something?10:38
faenilfound this
faenilbut that one points to Novell's10:41
faenilthis one is more updated maybe? but has way less info10:42
faenillunch is ready :) let me know when you have some spare time :D10:47
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sledgesany dev boards suitable to run Nemo? mind that Nemo was still a bit too heavy for an imx5310:53
neochapayyep i`am here10:53
sledgesneochapay: nice pictures running Nemo on Asus EeePC! can you share them here too pls? :)10:54
sledgesor was it MeeGo handset UX ?10:55
sledgeslooked exactly like Nemo to me :)))10:55
neochapaysledges: It`s nemo-handset-i586-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2.img runing on Asus EEEPC 1001PXD
neochapaysledges: i just edit uxlauch.conf and all is runing10:57
neochapayoh...not all :) ethernet not start from gui :)))10:57
w00tI'm considering to offer a beer per day to the guy who fixes connman disconnecting all the time10:57
VDVsxw00t: wot, for the rest of his/her life ? :P10:59
w00tVDVsx: one beer for each time i disconnect10:59
w00tat this rate, you'd have earned 5 so far today11:00
sledgeslol, then it's meaningful to defer the fix itself :)11:00
sledgesdo the inverse proportion instead :)11:01
* jukkaeklund has connman missing after zypper 'ssu'11:11
sledgesSage: I see you are fiddling with Xorg adaptation to Pandaboard. How does nemo look like running there?11:16
Sagesledges: stopped me for now11:17
MerbotBug 310: task, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, Switch to cross-distro agreed armv7hl path11:17
sledgesSage: aha found:  How is with the performance?11:17
Sagesledges: that is broken atm. 3d perf in nemo home was terrible but otherwise seemed ok11:18
sledgesSage: so it became broken recently, well nemo home is going home anyway :)11:19
Sagesledges: well, it has been broken about 4 months already :)11:19
Sagenobody has tested/fixed it.11:20
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sledgesyikes, and why did it work before that? some upstream bollocks?11:20
Sagewell there was other bugs in mer at the time that prevented building kernel modules e.g.11:21
Sagethose are now fixed11:21
Sagelong story short: I accidently broke it and bugs prevented fix so didn't bother at the time :)11:21
sledgesbut there was a point in time when it did work :) (hence the )11:22
SageI broke it and nobody cared so didn't fix it ;)11:22
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Sagenow started to look it again11:23
Sagealso back then it was armv7l now plan is to go with armv7hl11:23
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sledgesso similar story should be with Archos G9s11:24
mgronbarHi, I have created pinch zoom on Heliumreborn browser (bug #107). I don't have Nemo capabable device for development use, I only tested it in Harmattan. Is there any one who could test it and give comments in Nemo?11:33
MerbotBug task, Low, ---, pharon, NEW, support preservation of CI and B counts over remote project links11:33
faenilback :) mmm no answers about OBS :(11:35
sledgesfaenil: what do you want to know from what is not obvious about OBS? ;)11:35
faenila getting started guide...since there are multiple ones about mer, one uses Novell's OBS, another uses MeeGo's (which should be the current one)...11:36
sledgesNemo uses BMC (
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6019 Rejected promotion request11:38
sledgeswhich is in turn built against Mer core, which resides on its own OBS - (e.g. linked)11:38
faenilsledges, do you know anything better than
faenilit redirects to
faenilmmm gstomapfb is already installed on Nemo11:44
sledgesfaenil: what would you like to do to start with?11:44
sledgesfaenil: obviously, you need an account first11:44
faenilsledges, I already have an approved account11:44
sledgesperfetto! :)11:44
sledgesso, what is your build goal?11:45
faenilbut haven't had time to start looking into OBS yet :) but I want to give a hand on that side too11:45
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6020 waiting for review at
faenilsledges, atm I'd like to build dsp-tools and gst-dsp, which I already compiled using gcc11:45
faenilin Mer SDK11:45
sledgesthey are a part of Mer I believe11:46
Stskeepsalso, there should be packaging for those already available11:47
faenilStskeeps, gst-dsp and dsp-tools aren't already available11:47
faenilotherwise I wouldn't be doing this :D11:47
faenil(not available on Mer repo)11:47
sledgeswhere will they end up? in Mer or on Nemo?11:48
faenilsledges, okay, they're in the home of other users11:48
sledgesyes, you can either branch them, or create you r own (look under Sources tab if you like what you see)11:49
sledgesbut again, is it UX-specific or core-related?11:49
faenilnah not needed ;) I didn't look for themin other homes, just looked at the current files on Mer's repo11:49
sledgesso you create an equivalent project(s) under your own home dir11:50
faenilI'd say it's core-specific11:51
sledgesand create a package for dsp-tools11:52
sledgesthen add .yaml (+.spec) and source tarballs11:52
sledgesadd repository you want to build against (in the project's repositories tab)11:53
sledgesMer_Core I presume :) with an architecture of your flavour11:53
faenildoesn't have a yaml11:53
sledgeswell poor him :))11:53
faenil^^ okay ;P11:53
sledgesdo you? :)11:53
faenilI have nothing atm :P11:54
faeniljust built them with gcc in the sdk11:54
sledgesok so no packaging whatsoever :)11:54
sledgesthen you could source their .spec (or reverse engineer it to .yaml)11:54
sledgesor find one lying around on the net11:54
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faenilsledges, I'm here to learn how to package using the OBS, I have nothing ready :P11:56
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sledgesthat's what we're doing ;)11:56
sledgesosc under Mer SDK also does equiv stuff only through cmdline, so I did not know how much you don't have ;)11:56
sledges.yaml is a package(-ing) specification11:57
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6020 Rejected promotion request11:57
sledgeswhich goes through the specify script (avail in Mer SDK)11:57
sledgesbut if you haven't got yaml, and I couldn'? be bothered to ever learn in depth how it works :) I just used existing ones :)11:57
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faenilI see :D11:58
sledgesyou don't have .yaml at hand, but have a nice .spec from kulve, which is a stone-age approach, altough still efficient11:58
sledgesOBS will pickup .spec and start building the whole thing for you automagically11:58
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6021 waiting for review at
faenilsledges, it's not necessary atm, I'm copying files to device individually11:59
faenilsledges, I'll look for a yaml later if that's better ;)11:59
sledgeswell, you might come up with one yourself I'm afraid11:59
* sledges alreadu looked for gst-dsp.yaml - no luck ;P11:59
faenilgrr :D11:59
sledgesbut just re-use the spec, should get you up and running with OBS11:59
faenilthen mine will be the first one! :P12:00
faenilStskeeps, is creating a yaml file for a simple project like that a hard task?12:00
faenilI used to hack Symbian's packaging files :D (.pkg)12:01
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* sledges ended up looking at as-similar-as-possible/skeleton .yamls and just adjust them to work12:01
faenilsledges, that's not encouraging :D12:02
sledgeswell, when you see them consisting only of 10 lines, I'm sure you can figure out what's going in12:02
sledgeswith time you'll be writing super complex yamls with infinite dependency and pkgconfig directives, but even then will be referencing existing ones12:03
* sledges thinks no sence in wasting time in learning something more than you need at the given time12:03
crevetorMorning *yawn*12:04
sledgessurely it's just my 2p ;)12:04
sledgesafternoon crevetor :)12:04
crevetor8am here :)12:07
faenil2pm here :D12:07
sledges1pm (and my 2pence if misread :)))12:08
Stskeepscrevetor: good work on camera12:09
faenilthey say it works :)12:10
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6021 Accepted promotion request12:10
faenilmodprobe not found?12:11
faenilis it normal that I can't use modprobe from ssh?12:12
sledgesno, sudo?12:13
sledgeswhereis modprobe12:13
faenilno sudo12:13
sledgeslocate modprobe12:13
sledgeswell, modprobe needs super-user privs12:13
faenilyes, I'm root12:14
sledgesbad luck :)12:14
faenilon the phone I get "missing parameters" which is correct12:14
faenileven without root12:14
faenilvia ssh I get command not found ...12:14
faenilwth :/12:14
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sledgeswhereis modprobe12:15
faenilwhereis returns /sbin/modprobe12:15
faenilso it knows where it is12:15
sledgesand if you write explicitly: `/sbin/modprobe`/sbin/modprobe12:15
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faenilworks if write it explicitly :/12:16
sledges$PATH problem12:16
faenilyup :/12:16
sledgesjob done :)12:16
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faenilI suspected that12:16
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faenilthe problem is why does it only show on ssh12:16
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faeniland not on phone12:16
sledges.profile problem ;)12:16
VenemoI left Nemo on the N950 to update itself for the whole night.12:16
sledgesg'day Venemo12:16
Venemothe end result: it's bricked once again12:16
sledgesin a screen session?12:17
faenilVenemo, eh, bad times for the update process12:17
VenemoI think w00t suggested me to leave it like that for ~20 minutes. so I left it for the whole night. it's still bricked12:17
Venemoisn't there an image that I can just flash which also contains the latest updates?12:17
faenildon't think so12:18
sledgesVenemo: so you did use screen I presume12:18
w00tSage: ^?12:18
Venemosledges, what do you mean?12:18
faenilVenemo, screen, as said on wiki12:18
sledgesstart the screen session by:12:18
sledgesthen do zypper ref and zypper up12:18
w00twe really should do another release sometime this week, with the number of people running into update trouble12:18
Venemoyou misunderstand. it doesn't boot up now12:18
Venemoit's stuck on the blue Nemo start screen12:19
faenilyes but did you run screen before updating?12:19
sledgesthanks faenil :)12:19
VenemoI ran 'zypper refresh' and 'zypper up'12:19
Venemothat not enough?12:19
faenilok so you did not12:19
faenilread the wiki page :)12:19
w00tVenemo: did you run that inside a screen session? if not, then no, it's not enough this one time12:19
w00tconnman is killed off, which kills off your connection, meaning zypper will die partway through upgrade12:19
faenilno he didn't12:19
Venemowhy is it that there is always something that makes me feel dumb for not knowing about it?12:20
faenilthough why should zypper die without a connection? it has already downloaded all packages12:20
Venemofaenil ++12:20
faenilVenemo, been there :)12:20
sledgesbecause the death of connections kills your ssh session in turn zypper gets killed altogether12:20
Venemoit was not an ssh session12:21
w00tit was in X?12:21
faenilyeah, what if you're not using ssh12:21
sledgesit also kill X :)12:21
w00tthen same thing applies12:21
w00tzypper doesn't fork12:21
Venemowat is 'screen' anyway?12:21
faeniloh :/12:21
w00tthat means that it will die whenever what started it dies12:21
w00tssh, or X12:21
faenilok,thanks, it's clear now :D12:21
sledgesscreen is something I use my IRC on a remote server to be always online and reconnect whenever I ssh12:21
Venemosoo, reflash! oh yeah! no better way to start a day :P12:22
w00tVenemo: - basically a way to run processes without them dying, resume them later (screen -rx), etc12:22
Venemow00t, :)12:22
sledgeswould a bluetooth keyboard solve it by doing Ctrl+Alt+F2 and doing zypper ups there ? ;)12:22
sledgesbut enought with kludges :)12:22
Venemow00t, isn't there a fresh image to just flash?12:22
w00tSage: think we can manage that?12:22
w00tVenemo: no, I'm trying to beg Sage to get some done12:23
faenilsledges, which .profile should I edit to get that issue fixed?12:23
w00tbecause this is like the 5th time I've seen this discussion in two days, which means it's killing productivity for people12:23
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6022 waiting for review at
Venemow00t, if I recall Stskeeps's presentation correctly, making an image is like running a single command. shouldn't be that hard.12:23
faenilunless you run into errors :D12:23
sledgesfaenil: trial error, just add echo's to ~/.bash_profile ~/.bashrc ~/.profile and maybe even to /etc/skel[eton]/* IIRC to see which gets triggered when12:24
faenilsledges, shouldn't it get the env variables from the phones? why sould it use another PATH?12:26
faenilisn't it just sending a command the phone should execute?12:26
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sledgesevery of those files defines their own PATH12:27
sledgeswhere else do you think env variables get initialised? ;)12:27
Venemow00t, speaking of bug 336 - do I understand correctly? in your opinion, _NET_WM_ICON_GEOMETRY should contain the location of the little window thumbnail? or what?12:27
MerbotBug task, High, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, update openssl to 1.0.0j (or 1.0.1c) [CVE-2012-2333]12:27
Venemostupid Merbot12:28
w00tVenemo: pretty much12:28
w00ti have a WIP patch doing that12:28
Venemoshouldn't be too hard, yeah12:28
faenilsledges, I still don't see why it should read profile on my PC and not on the phone itself12:28
Venemook, I'll try one more time reflashing and then running screen and updating12:29
Venemobut it ought to be better than this12:29
sledgesthere are different ways a shell is spawned, highly depending on if it is a login shell or not, etc12:29
sledgesssh might have its own policy, normaly copycat'ing the virtual terminal behaviour (Ctrl+Alt+F*)12:29
sledgesalthough nothing is happening -normally- in the multi-flavoured GNU world12:30
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w00tbut until the compositor side is fixed, testing it is hard :)12:32
w00tso I think I'll need to make time to try figure out the compositor bit too12:32
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Venemoby the way, we should also do something about the boot process. the blue Nemo screen appears for some time, but then it disappears and an empty black screen is displayed for a minute or two before the home screen appears.12:32
niqtSage: why ins't present qmlcalendar in nemo image 08.05.2?12:32
Venemothe desired behaviour should be to display the blue screen for the entire time12:32
Venemothe same thing is true about the shutdown screen12:33
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Sageniqt: ?12:33
faenilVenemo, yeah, I noticed that didn't happen before...started with lipstick?12:33
Venemofaenil, it has nothing to do with lipstick12:33
Venemofaenil, it was always like this12:33
Sageniqt: mybad. Will fix12:33
faenilno it was until some releases ago12:34
Venemofaenil, I don't even have lipstick on this installation yet12:34
faenilVenemo, yeah lipstick was a bullshit12:34
faenilbut I don't remember noticing that black screen delay in old releases12:34
Sageniqt: will fix it today12:35
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Venemofaenil, same thing is true about the shutdown screen12:35
niqtdon't worry i remember my task :)12:35
niqtSage: yesterday have fixed one bug of qmlcalendar12:37
faenilDSP isn't working12:38
faenilerror: create_node: dsp node allocate failed12:38
faenilerror: main: dsp node creation failed12:38
faeniland it seems so many people already had this error while trying to get it working12:38
Venemook, I'm running the update in 'screen' now12:39
Venemoif it breaks again, I'm gonna be angry12:40
* w00t pats Venemo 12:41
w00tlife is made to annoy the shit out of us12:41
* Sage moves CE:Apps:MTF packages to CE:Apps12:41
faenilVenemo, we'll be the two of use12:42
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niqtwhere is the repository of settings/controlpanel?12:53
sledgesmeegotouch-settingscp ?12:54
sledges(a wild guess)12:54
sledgesnope :)12:54
sledgesmeegotouch-controlpanel ?12:55
sledges:) more like it12:55
sledgesniqt: ^12:55
niqtthanks sledges: i would fix
crevetoris down ?13:04
sledgesyes, down13:04
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sledgeslbt is informed, but might be away :{13:04
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sledgesbeing looked at ^ now13:10
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faenilgood, dsp-test is now working13:17
faenilvideo isn't playing though...mmm13:17
sledgesgood stuff faenil13:17 is automagically back now13:17
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6023 waiting for review at
w00tSage: i love your repo merging work13:23
Sagew00t: ? :)13:23
w00tSage: merged repos = <313:24
w00tend of story :)13:24
Sageah, I though I destroyed something of yours already :D13:24
Sagethere is so may not revoked submissions around that need to force things a bit more than I wanted :)13:24
Sageso many*13:24
w00ti'm sure you'll break a few of my branches13:25
w00tbut oh well13:25
Sageplease cleanup your home repos and branches that you don't need. This goes for everyone :)13:25
sledges+1 merged repos13:25
w00tI have cleaned them up, but there's not a lot I don't need13:26
w00tI'm too hyperactive, and need to finish more stuff13:26
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6023 Accepted promotion request13:26
Sageyey, this CE:Apps:MTF -> CE:Apps was easier than I though13:26
Sagelets see how my device handles it now :)13:27
* w00t watches for a mushroom cloud from finland13:27
* Sage puts fan on 13:28
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Sagew00t: do "zypper info -t pattern nemo-apps" withour zypper ref please13:32
Sagew00t: ok, now do zypper ref and then same thing13:33
Sagew00t: zypper up doesn't probably install those missing two apps?13:35
w00tSage: not that I see, no13:35
* Sage files a bug13:36
crevetorRegarding bugs 214 and 257 should we add the fixes to policy-settings-basic-n900 %13:37
crevetor#214 #25713:38
the-bosscrevetor: Error: "214" is not a valid command.13:38
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crevetorbug 214 bug 25713:39
MerbotBug major, Normal, ---, not-taken, RESOLVED FIXED, Connman crashing13:39
MerbotBug task, Low, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, libnl yaml file has obsolete URL entry13:39
crevetorI was talking about nemo bugs13:39
sledgesargh Merbot :)13:40
alteregospecial: ping13:54
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alteregospecial: nvm, :)14:16
faenilhey javispedro :)14:16
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alteregoHey javispedro14:18
faenilI've been waiting 2 mins for Nemo to shutdown...I'll force it14:18
alteregoWorks really quickly for me ;)14:19
iekkufaenil, there's known bug14:20
sledgesfaenil: what did you see on screen?14:20
* sledges is looking at that bug at the moment14:20
sledgesbut only on N9 and VBox14:20
faenilsledges, nothing14:20
faenilI press the power button and I can see the screen switchin on and of14:20
sledgesif it's black screen, it's a bug 33414:20
MerbotBug normal, Normal, ---, not-taken, NEW, OBS repos should not have gpgcheck=1 for unsigned repos.14:20
faenilbut staying black14:20
sledgesargh! Merbot :)14:21
MerbotBug 334: critical, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, device does not poweroff14:21
sledgesgood Merbot14:21
sledgesfaenil: if you go into a pitch-black room and press power button, you will see LCD backlight toggle14:22
faenilfighting with hw acc video playback atm14:22
sledgesas if it goes to a sleep mode, hence it's not shut14:22
faenilI'll get it working, I promise!14:22
faenilsledges, yeah14:22
sledgeslongpress power button and it'll poweroff (as you said - forcing it)14:22
sledgesyou are using N950 ?14:22
sledgescould you comment the bug please then?14:22
sledgesplease refresh my brain: long-press brings Nemo to a (fake) shutdown - and very-long-press forces it?14:23
faenil"Mid-air collision detected!" :O14:25
sledgesthanks and thanks for reproducint it on N950, I've been receiving mixed reports on that matter :)14:25
sledgesmeans is really critical14:26
sledgeslol yes, I modified it, I expected you come up with this :DD14:26
sledgesgo back in browser, copy comment, refresh bug, and re-comment :)14:26
faenildone already ;)14:27
sledges;) ta14:27
faenillol I wrote bug 100% times and it hyperlinked bug 100 to bug100 :D14:28
MerbotBug normal, Undecided, ---, marko.saukko, RESOLVED FIXED, Improve spectacle support for macros14:28
faenilstfu :P14:28
sledgespiacere Andrea, sono Simonas :))14:31
faenilpiacere :D14:33
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crevetorcan someone check but I think is fixed with latest packages14:40
MerbotBug 222: normal, High, ---, not-taken, NEW, Unable to adjust screen brightness14:40
crevetorTht title of the bug is misleading BTW14:40
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faenilStskeeps, what version of ti dsp bridge driver are we using?14:49
Stskeepsno clue14:49
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faenilhow can I check?14:51
w00tSage: if we were theoretically to switch to lipstick now, can we easily switch the obsoleting package for meegotouch-home to a different package later on? (thinking of just using the example home, and then later introducing our specific one)15:13
Sagew00t: well, we can obsolete lipstick-example-home with lipstick-nemo-home or what ever sure15:13
w00tobsolete I don't think is quite the right term, because it should still be available as an option15:14
* w00t is just impatient to get us switched :-)15:16
faenilso am I :D15:16
faenilgot a video to play with hw acc for about 10 secs...after that....DSP MMUFAULT...15:17
faenilmmm that's going to be fun!15:17
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sledges;D debugging times15:17
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Sagefor updates to go properly I don't see much other options there than obsoletes in later when moving from example to the real thing15:20
w00tsigh :)15:21
w00tVenemo: I guess we're waiting on you, then :-)15:22
Venemolike you sad, patience is a virtue15:22
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Venemodon't worry, that's what I'm working on15:23
Sagemaybe we could obsolete only certain version of it but not sure how the updates would go if the newer example home would be available.15:23
w00tVenemo: not being pushy :P15:23
crevetoris there a recent video demoeing lipstick ?15:24
Venemocrevetor, yes, there is15:24
crevetorVenemo: thanks15:25
crevetorhun I think I've already seen this one15:26
Venemow00t, does the package 'lipstick' contain both the plugin and the lib?15:26
Venemocrevetor, sorry then15:26
w00tVenemo: yes15:26
w00tyou'd never really want one without the other, after all15:27
crevetorVenemo: no problem15:27
Venemow00t, awesome15:27
crevetorit's looking really good :)15:27
AnikHelo #nemomobile! If there is someone who can guide a newbie to build a Nemo image on Ubuntu, let me know! Let's chat it private if I am not supposed to spam here.15:28
VenemoAnik, you are supposed to spam here, so no worries :)15:28
VenemoAnik, are you familar with the Mer platform SDK?15:29
crevetorhow does lipstick react to not having hardware acceleration ?15:29
w00tcrevetor: right now, it doesn't work without it15:29
crevetorw00t: :'(15:29
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Venemocrevetor, you can modify it to work, but it'll be incredibly slow15:30
* Sage ponders what project nemo-kickstarter-configs package should go.15:31
Anik@Venemo: Actually I work on protocol stack for LTE and WCDMA. Now looking to concentrate on Nemo. So you can call me a newbie in every sense :)15:31
AnikLTE core network and WCDMA BTS - To be specific.15:31
faenilthis is really went on until half duration of the video, and the crashed with "Error: "GStreamer encountered a general stream error.""15:31
VenemoAnik, that sounds cool15:31
faeniloh thanks a lot! :@15:31
Sagelbt: ideas how we should enable that so that it would be easiest for users to get it installed to mer-sdk.15:31
VenemoAnik, what you need is mostly covered in and - if you have any specific questions or have any trouble, there are lots of helpful people on this channel15:33
crevetorVenemo: Plasma active worked fairly well without HW acceleration (this is on a touchpad)15:33
AnikBtw, I've seen many of you at TMO :D Aard is helping me in private. Let me concentrate a bit more there :)15:33
Venemocrevetor, it's a matter of opinion. I've seen PA without hw accel. if you count "annoyingly slowly" as "fairly well", then it worked fairly well indeed.15:34
VenemoAnik, ok :)15:34
AnikThanks Venemo for the links. The biggest problem I face is that, all webchats are blocked in my office :( So couldn't login here even though I have time to spare. Now@home and got to see many helping guys :)15:37
Venemow00t, after update, nemo says "connman unavailable"15:39
Venemoand, I'm surprised you guys didn't throw connman out yet15:39
Stskeepsthere's no better alternatives tbh15:39
crevetorVenemo: do you consider this fairly well or annoyingly slowly ?15:40
VenemoI'll try to reboot and see if it helps15:40
Venemocrevetor, hm, that's fairly well. it was a lot worse when I saw it on an archos device without hw graphics accel15:40
faenilVenemo, just systemctl restart connman.service15:40
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crevetorVenemo: touchpad is dual core, so maybe one core is doing the rendering while the other one takes care of the rest...15:41
Venemomaybe :)15:41
VenemoI'm honestly not sure.15:42
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sledgesi'm overly impressed15:43
sledgeson imx53 even with hw accel it was not as smooth as crevetor's
Stskeepscrevetor: is this with msmfb xorg driver?15:44
Venemosledges ++15:45
crevetorStskeeps: I'm pretty sure it was regular fbdev15:45
crevetorStskeeps: I'd have to check when back home15:46
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faenilStskeeps, I need to know TI's bridge driver version :/15:58
sledgesI think i found the solution to NEMO#334: it spawns telinit -t 0 0 during d-bus'y shutdown, and it's: invalid option -- 't'15:59
sledgespatch in progress16:00
sledgesi.e., when I'll get home after commute :)16:03
sledgesStskeeps: telinit is part of mer (systemd?), how is the change in cmdline args communicated on depending projects?16:04
Stskeepsit's not16:06
Stskeepswe don't have runlevels16:06
Stskeepsit should use something else16:06
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6025 waiting for review at
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Venemoalterego, what was the solution to "exec not recognised"?16:17
VenemoI recall having to modify something in the sdk's scripts16:17
faenilStskeeps, got it with "modinfo bridgedriver" :P you could have reminded me that command! :D16:21
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Venemofaenil, do you recall that thing about exec?16:22
faenilVenemo, nope :/16:22
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faenilcan we get DSP libraries from N9? or is that forbidden?16:25
faenil(without including them in nemo image)16:25
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mgronbarI fixed #107, HeliumReborn browser pinch zoom should now be supported as the fix gets through the review. Although I have only tested it in Harmattan platform16:30
faenilmgronbar, I will happily test, but not now :/ I'm fighting with hw acc in video :)16:35
mgronbarfaenil: ok, thanks.16:36
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faenilI feel I'm close to the to leave for dinner, argh :D17:07
veskuhSage:  Regarding SR#6025 that needs to be tested on device. According to bug it was not and I'm pretty sure that I tried about same code already earlier and it had some issue17:10
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w00tmgronbar: please file a pull request on github17:13
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veskuhzooming works quite nicely actually. Might have made clicking links a bit more difficult but works.17:20
faenilbbl, pizza time :)17:22
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mgronbarw00t, ok.17:26
Sagecobs down?17:32
lbtosu nw I think17:32
lbt2 others confirming that17:33
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lbttransient nw outage upstream somewhere17:36
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sledges_Stskeeps: if you (Mer) don't have runlevels then why is there /lib/systemd/system/runlevel[0-6].target ?17:54
sledges_and the whole dsme is based on manipulating runlevels17:55
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mgronbarveskuh, did you try the zoom in Nemo device?18:13
veskuhmgronbar: yes, on N950. Zooming works quite nice.18:14
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mgronbarveskuh: good and thanks for testing it, it was little hard get screen to follow the fingers while zooming, but after all solution was quite simple.18:17
veskuhmgronbar: yep. I tried something similar18:18
veskuhmgronbar: but back then the panarea somehow hijacked all the clicks, I guess qt has been updated and now works properly18:19
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mgronbarveskuh: I had the same issue, but then I put PinchArea as parent of webview, then it got transparent to other type of mouse events.18:21
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Sagesledges: we need to modify dsme for systemd if we use it in future18:27
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sledgesSage: looks like a big task; so systemd will obsolete runlevels soon? as using `telinit 0` all looks good and the device does power down18:36
Stskeepsit already did tbh18:38
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faenilback :)19:06
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alteregoVenemo_N9: you need to update your SDK, the latest release has exec in it.19:09
alteregoSee the wiki for updating your sdk.19:09
alteregoSage: do you know when you're thinking of adding new telepathy?19:09
Venemo_N9alterego, I installed it today.19:09
Venemo_N9alterego, or did it get updated today?19:10
alteregoWhat version did you install?19:11
specialalterego: I believe it's waiting on an updated glib2 from mer19:11
alteregospecial: got working calls going through telepathy :)19:11
specialgreat :)19:12
alteregoBut it's a cludge because there are a load of bits missing from the version of tele we have19:12
specialdid you see ?19:12
MerbotBug 344: normal, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Create telepathy-ring account by default19:12
alteregoSo want new version.19:12
alteregospecial: yes, I did.19:12
alteregospecial: I was thinking of adding the mc-tool add to a first-boot script.19:12
alteregoCould even add it to voicecall and qmlmessages packaging as a postin.19:13
faenilhey special :)19:13
specialyeah, that was my conclusion. I started playing with it a bit last night19:13
specialI'd package it as a patch to -ring, I think19:13
specialfaenil: hi19:13
alteregospecial: could do, but it should be added to the .spec really.19:14
alteregoJust add it as a %postin instruction19:14
Sagealterego: after the new mer core is in then. As there is dependency to new glib that is in that version19:14
alteregoSage: cool.19:15
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alteregoSage: if you want to run something in %postin that requires DBUS, how would you do that?19:15
Sagesledges: yes, we should not rely on runlevels anymore. Those are already obsolete and are there just for come backward compatibility stuff.19:15
alteregoActually, it needs to run as user19:15
alteregoI guess su19:15
Sagealterego: you can't run anything for user in postin19:16
alteregoNot even "su nemo - ..." ?19:16
Sagealterego: or if you do I'll reject that19:16
Sagealterego: what if there is different username? What if there is more than one user? What if...19:16
alteregoSo you think sticking it in a systemd script is better?19:17
Sagealterego: also when packages are originally installed at image creation there isn't user at the time.19:17
alteregoGood point19:17
specialI was idly toying with writing a tiny mission-control plugin to *guarantee* that a ring account exists if ring is installed19:18
specialwith the idea of*19:18
alteregoMaybe devices should ship with mer, with a minimal commisioning UI, which can download the components during first boot :P19:18
alteregospecial: no point19:18
specialmc-tool *should* be a functional solution19:19
Sageanything that requires certain user account to exist on package installation time is wrong (with exception of packages that install their own user)19:19
alteregoAll we need is: [ -z "$(mc-tool list | grep ring/tel)" ] && mc-tool add ring/tel ring19:22
alteregoRun as "user"19:22
specialnot quite19:22
specialwe need enable and auto-connect on too19:23
alteregoWell, you get my point P19:23
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alteregoYes, I didn't add all the configuration stuff :P19:23
specialalso, it'll require an X session19:23
alteregoNo, it just requires dbus19:23
alteregoWhich systemd should do.19:23
* alterego writes a systemd script19:23
specialyou'll get "mc-tool add: Failed to connect to D-Bus: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11"19:24
alteregospecial: no19:24
alteregospecial: you can provide that environment variable, but it isn't /required/ for a dbus connection.19:24
specialit is required for autolaunch, which will be necessary unless mc is already running on the session bus19:24
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alteregospecial: yes, which systemd should take care of19:27
specialI don't think we actually launch mc [directly] via systemd19:27
Stskeepsthat's in the user session isn't it?19:28
Stskeepsit doesn't run as root19:28
Stskeepsok, so /etc/xdg/autostart for now19:28
Stskeepssystemd user services later19:28
* alterego writes an auto start script19:28
specialit should be autostarted if it isn't at the moment, yeah.19:28
alteregoAnd I guess stick it in n950 configs19:29
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alteregoAnd n900 configs19:30
faenildoes anyone know something about "QGLWindowSurface: Flushing to native child widget, may lead to significant performance loss"?19:30
Stskeepsn950 configs? no no19:31
Stskeepsit's not hw dependent19:31
specialmc should start automatically everywhere19:31
specialfor ring, we want it on everything with a modem, I guess. What are the rules for ofono?19:31
alteregoStskeeps: well, in telepathy-ring package?19:32
Stskeepssaner, ish19:32
alteregoany better idea?19:33
Stskeepsnot offhand19:34
faenilfuck, my Nemo doesn't boot anymore :(19:35
faenilstarted by not loading pictures in gallery :/19:35
faenilonly suspect things I see in dmesg are some "[   10.062530] onenand_wait: correctable ECC error = 0x0100, addr1 0xa, addr8 0x019:36
faenilcome on, breathe...come on19:38
faenilnothing...can anybody help me troubleshoot?19:39
faenilI can connect to ssh, but I get "permission denied" and it goes to "bash 3.2"19:39
faenilCould not chdir to home directory /home/nemo: Permission denied19:40
Stskeepsdoesn't sound good?19:41
faenilmmm what about this19:42
faenil    0.896728] <27>systemd[1]: [/lib/systemd/system/systemd-journald.service:22] Failed to parse capability bounding set, ignoring: CAP_SYS_ADMIN CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE CAP_SYS_PTRACE CAP_SYSLOG CAP_AUDIT_CONTROL CAP_CHOWN CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH CAP_FOWNER CAP_SETUID CAP_SETGID19:42
faenil[    1.116546] <28>systemd[1]: Cannot add dependency job for unit display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details.19:42
Sagefaenil: the n950 kernel is old and thus fails on those. Shouldn't matter in the end afaik.19:43
faenilI see, so it's not that19:43
faenilI'm stuck on the blu Nemo bootscreen19:43
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faenilI don't want to reflash, I have to reinstall all packages :/19:45
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faenilit's full of this though, is that normal?19:46
faenil[   68.010772] power_supply usb: POWER_SUPPLY_NAME=usb19:46
faenil[   68.010833] power_supply usb: Static prop TYPE=USB19:46
faenil[   68.010864] power_supply usb: 2 dynamic props19:46
faenil[   68.010894] power_supply usb: prop PRESENT=119:46
faenil[   68.010925] power_supply usb: prop CURRENT_NOW=10019:46
faenil[   68.016082] power_supply usb: uevent19:46
faenila lot of tiems19:46
faenilhow comes?19:46
Stskeepsjust good debugging19:46
Sagefaenil: hmmp19:46
Sagefaenil: systemctl output please19:47
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faeniln950-plymouth-start-update.service                    loaded failed     failed           Update omap display19:47
Sagenot an issue19:48
faenilsystemd-update-utmp-runlevel.service                  loaded failed     failed           Update UTMP about System Runlevel Changes19:48
Sagefaenil: sure your update went fully through?19:49
faeniluxlaunch.service                                      loaded activating auto-restart     UX launcher19:49
faenilSage, I wasn't updating19:49
Sagefaenil: oh, what did you do? :)19:49
Sagesuddently failed?19:49
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faenilyup :/ started misbehaving19:49
faenilI was playing with dsp codecs, nothing I haven't done for the whole day19:49
faeniland I rebooted more times without issues19:49
Sagetried to remove the dsp stuff?19:50
Sagekernel modules if any, firmware etc?19:50
faenilI will try19:50
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faenilI did not set anything to autostart though19:51
faenildon't see how that could be an issue19:51
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faenildone, nothing :/19:54
faenilanything else I can try? or debug output I can provide?19:54
faenilbefore I reflash :/19:55
befordbackup your stuff19:56
Sagefaenil: ps aux | grep Xorg19:56
Sagefaenil: /home/nemo/.xsession-errors19:56
Sagefaenil: /var/log/Xorg.0.log19:56
faenilalright, common xorg debug19:56
faenilroot       448  0.0  0.0   5844   860 pts/0    S+   02:02   0:00 grep Xorg19:56
Sageok, so Xorg is failing19:57
Sagefaenil: systemctl status ti-omap3-sgx.service19:57
faenil  Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ti-omap3-sgx.service; disabled)19:58
faenil  Active: active (exited) since Thu, 01 Jan 1970 02:00:07 +0200; 4min 17s ago19:58
faenil Process: 268 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/pvrsrvinit (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)19:58
faenil Process: 254 ExecStartPre=/sbin/modprobe omaplfb (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)19:58
faenil  CGroup: name=systemd:/system/ti-omap3-sgx.service19:58
faeniltime reset, again ... -.-19:58
Sageok, so sgx ok.19:58
Sagefaenil: what about systemctl status uxlaunch.service (use pastie)19:59
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* Venemo is back20:00
Sageso uxlaunch fails for some reason20:00
faenilone thing I noticed before rebooting20:01
faenilis lipstick was lagging20:01
faeniland qmlgallery was not loading thumbnails (but the app was working)20:01
Sagefaenil: what is in /home/nemo/.xsession-errors20:02
Venemoso alterego20:02
faenilSage, a lot of stuff :D20:02
VenemoI downloaded the latest SDK this morning and it didn't have exec20:02
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Sagefaenil: well pastie20:03
faenillet me get to the end20:03
Sagefaenil: the start is most interesting actually20:03
faenilit's got a lot of debug coming from apps20:03
Sagethus beginning is most interesting20:03
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Sagefaenil: open two terminals. One that does Xorg  and other that does as nemo user: DISPLAY=:0 xterm20:10
Venemohow do I check which version of the sdk I have?20:10
Sagefaenil: before that you can do systemctl stop uxlaunch.service20:10
faenilSage, but it doesn't let me log as nemo20:12
faenilpermission denied error20:12
Sagefaenil: uh... ls -la /home20:12
faenilnemo folder is there20:12
faenilw8 I paste20:12
Sagepaste that line20:12
faenilyeah for permission20:12
Sagethen ls -la /home/nemo/20:13
Sagefaenil: so su nemo says permission denied?20:13
faenilpermission denied, w8 I do it from root20:13
faenilbash: /home/nemo/.bashrc: Permission denied20:13
Sagels -la /home/nemo/ as root to pastie please20:14
Sagefaenil: please do this
SageI'm failing to understand where you get the permission denied as you don't paste the output with the cmdlines and shell stuff :)20:17
faenilSage, I get it when I ssh into nemo@192....20:18
faenil-bash-3.2$ su nemo20:19
faenilbash: /home/nemo/.bashrc: Permission denied20:19
SageI see20:19
Sagechown nemo:nemo /home/nemo20:19
Sage^ chown and retry20:20
faenilok, I'm in20:21
Sagereboot and enjoy ;)20:21
faeniljust like that? I lost the owning permission? :P20:21
Sagenot sure how but somehow you reset the ownership of /home/nemo to user id 50020:22
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faenilthat's not true XD20:22
faenilI did not do anything like that ...20:22
Sagedoes it boot now? :)20:22
Sagefaenil: did you install some rpm files?20:23
Sagefrom meego20:23
faenilnope, just copied over files with scp20:23
Sagescp gone bad maybe :)20:23
Sageok, time to sleep.20:24
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SageI hope it boots now20:24
faenilyeah it booted :)20:24
faenilthanks a lot :) I can't explain what happened, but thanks :)20:24
faenilmaybe using -R while scping? I really don't know...20:25
faenilSage, good night :)20:26
faenilif anyone already knows the answer, I want to learn :) (googling in the meanwhile)20:27
faenilscp must be changing the ownership in some way20:29
faenilokay, it's scp20:30
faenilnever noticed this behaviour, but ok :)20:31
faenilwho's still active? I'll go to bed if I'm alone :D20:34
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faenilhi :)20:43
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faenilHw acc video now playing! :D20:53
Venemofaenil, awesome!!! :)20:53
Venemofaenil, what did you do?20:53
faenilbuilt some packages20:54
faenilhad some rage against them20:54
faeniland got it working :)20:54
faenilgst-dsp mainly20:54
Venemoand I'm making serious progress with the new home screen20:55
faenilspecial, ^^! :D20:55
faenilspecial, and you know what, gallery isn't lagging anymore!20:55
faenilI'd say video support is coming soon, Sage!20:55
specialgood news20:55
faenilyup :D20:55
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specialis that still using qtgstreamer, or QML video?20:57
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faenilQML Video :)20:58
faenilyeah :)20:58
befordvideo or it didnt happen20:59
faenilbeford, :) will make one, yeah :)20:59
faenilspecial, anyway, don't know if you've read it, we can't include DSP binaries in Nemo's image21:04
faenilso that's still an "additional download"21:04
specialunfortunate, but I'm still not immediately concerned about perfect performance.21:05
faenilspecial, you know it better than can't watch some videos without hw acc...21:06
faenilbut anyway, I agree that it's not a priority now :)21:06
faeniljust something I liked to tinker with to learn new things :)21:07
faenilI'm so happy :D21:11
Venemofaenil, congrats :)21:11
Venemofaenil, can it decode music too?21:11
faenilVenemo, haven't tried, audio in video works :) ( 5.1 AC3 doesn't though )21:12
Venemofaenil, would mp3 work?21:12
faenilhaven't tried yet, I suspect not? TI DSP doesn't have mp3 decoder could already play it without TI DSP though, I just have never tried on nemo21:14
Venemoso how does Harmattan decode the mp3s?21:18
VenemoI'm not believing that it does it from software21:18
specialmp3 isn't *that* difficult to decode21:18
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Venemospecial, but the N9(x0) actually wastes CPU power for it? unbelieveable.21:28
faenilI was just told in #gstreamer that omap devices use CPU for mp3s21:31
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kimjuiirc someone published some benchmarks, on omap2/3 overhead from using the dsp to decode mp3 was using more power than just decoding it with the arm core.21:39
Venemokimju, okay21:41
faenilmmm who'll make graphics for the video player?21:47
faenillike pause,stop,play icons :D21:47
specialdoes meegotouch-theme have anything?21:48
special(do we want actual buttons, anyway?)21:49
Venemofaenil, why don't you just use iconsweets?21:49
faenilVenemo, because I don't know all licenses by heart :/ I'm a bit paranoid about that :D21:49
Venemofaenil, "You may use these icons for both commercial and non-commercial projects and customize them any way you like."21:50
specialuse the meegotouch theme graphics if at all possible.21:50
faenilVenemo, thanks :)21:50
specialbut I'm not sure you actually want them.21:50
faenilspecial, yeah that's my idea21:50
faenilspecial, you mean we should use text?21:50
specialI mean that I'm not sure those buttons are necessary at all21:51
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Venemoa play button is not necessary in a video player?21:51
faenil:/ how do you seek a video?21:51
Venemothat made me laugh21:51
specialtap to pause/unpause? a seekbar somewhere, maybe hidden by default?21:52
VenemoIMO play buttons are awesome21:53
specialthey take up screen space that could be used for video.21:53
faenilspecial, I'm already using tapping to pause/unpause :) but I was forgetting that xD21:53
faenileven though I think a user would expect buttons to be there21:54
specialon mobile? I'm not so sure.21:55
faenilneither am I, but that's what I'd say :)21:55
specialfor something that is all about viewing, I favor as little chrome as possible21:57
special(while still being clear about what the user can do)21:57
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Venemow00t, ping22:09
Venemobad excuse22:09
Venemobtw, I just noticed that we're doing the same thing as the gnome folks, only difference is that they don't have a nice declarative language22:25
VenemoLOL! camera app says "lens cover closed"22:26
Venemowhat lens cover?22:26
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faenilw00t, see, it's not only you, rejoice! :D22:31
faenilVenemo, w00t had the same problem today, he thought his n950 was dieing, because he also had other issues22:31
faenilbut other people said the camera fix was working22:31
Venemoother people said many things.22:33
specialcamera works for me.22:35
faenilVenemo, lol22:37
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faenilgood night people :) cya tomorrow ;)22:56
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Venemook, you win. I'm sleeping too23:06
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