Thursday, 2013-06-13

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Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#343 waiting for review at
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* Sage points w00t towards creq ;)05:08
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#333 Accepted promotion request05:16
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Sageplundstr: merged07:47
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plundstrSage: how is tagging handled in nemo? Should I tag it now or you do it sometime later?08:03
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alciHi all. I am trying to reinstall Nemo on a N9. There was a former install, but using meego repositories, so it cannot be upgraded.08:05
alciWhat I have done is: download nemo-armv7hl-n950-0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1.tar.bz208:06
alciMount Alt_OS and  sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf nemo-armv7hl-n950-0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1.tar.bz2 -C /media/franck/Alt_OS/08:06
alcisudo flush08:06
alciarg... I mean sudo sync :-)08:07
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alciNow, I boot in moslo as before, but when I press the volume down button, I get... a black screen. Nothing seems to happen.08:07
alciIs the archive I use suitable for a N9? Is there some troubleshooting I can do?08:09
phaeronplundstr: join #mer-boss and tag08:09
phaeronalci: yes it should be ok, can you ssh over usb ?08:09
phaeronSage: ^^08:09
alciplunstr: I will try now08:09
alciYes, I can actually ssh into the device08:15
Sagealci: also reboot device once after starting up there has been issues with first boot at times08:17
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alciVictory. After rebooting (twice), I finally have a working nemo ! Thanks all for your help !08:22
phaeronSage: the sgx issues were not fixed yet in that release ?08:22
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Sagephaeron: probably not :/08:24
* Sage really needs to get new snapshot done08:25
phaeronyeah fixing user session should unblock moving stuff to :testing08:25
w00tSage: well i was attaching a reason to all of them :-p08:26
Sagew00t: yes :)08:26
Sagew00t: any change you have time to check that notification thing in nemo home?08:26
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w00tSage: depends.. can I safely upgrade now? (the whole uid/gid mess)08:29
w00ti've been a little cautious about zypper dup :)08:29
Sagew00t: doing zypper dup myself to my n950 now lets see :D08:31
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w00talso did you see this on n950?08:32
w00ti at least have latest lipstick/colorful home and haven't reproduced any problem08:32
Sageyes n95008:32
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w00tsledges: :o08:58
sledgesyes, VERY NICE08:58
Stskeepsx11 or wayland, though?08:58
* w00t wonders what's up with a few icons missing08:58
w00talmost certainly x1108:58
w00tour wayland state is not all that great right now ;)08:58
sledgesmy gf has sgs2, ftw now :D08:58
sledgesyup, means drivers are Xish08:59
w00tSage: let me know how your upgrade goes and if you want another guineapig btw09:00
sledgesthis guy wanted to port to galaxy nexus first09:00
sledgesi think robclark showed fedora on samsung phone recently09:01
sledgesusing his open mali stack09:01
sledgescould be continuation09:01
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sledgesbut no video, wonders about performance ;)09:02
w00twell perhaps it's like i've had with wayland a few times, where it just draws a few frames and then stops ;)09:03
sledgesStskeeps, the tweet reads x11 :P09:03
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sledgesbefore all icons kick in ;D09:03
* Sage reboots09:06
GentSirIs developing for nemo fundamentally the same as Sailfish? Minus all the silica components and the such, is it purely a UI difference?09:06
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w00tGentSir: i don't quite follow09:07
w00t(that's a bit of a broad question.. can you be a bit more specific?)09:07
Sagew00t: ui boots at least09:07
GentSirw00t, perhaps my ignorance of the platform is the issue09:07
GentSirI'm going through the Mer wiki09:07
Sagew00t: so I would say safe'ish09:08
w00tSage: ok, will give it a shot ;)09:08
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sledgesGentSir, its bothvqt qml and using same underlying firmware, so yes09:09
sledgesmiddleware soz09:09
GentSirsledges, thank you09:10
GentSirThought I might try out some stuff on nemo, since it seems to be more "feature complete" than sailfish is at the moment09:11
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w00tGentSir: more hands welcome09:20
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Sagew00t: did it work? ;)09:45
sledgesnemo traces on sgs2 (i9100):
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w00tSage: got a little stuck by a mer-tools problem, i guess i'll uninstall git for now so i can upgrade10:15
Sagew00t: also you might need to do zypper dup twice10:18
Sagew00t: the as ssu-vendor-data-nemo might update the repository info if you don't have the latest version already10:18
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* Sage gives w00t's update a push10:32
w00ti got distracted10:36
w00treally doing it now!10:36
phakowas there a solution for that camera update conflict?10:43
phakototally forgot about that10:43
Sagephako: on which device?10:44
Sagephako: ssu re -r latest; ssu fl devel; zypper ref; zypper install ssu ssu-vendor-data-nemo; zypper ref; zypper dup10:45
Sagephako: if you still get errors after that with the zypper dup. Can you put those to some pastebin10:46
* w00t dups again10:47
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w00tSage: didn't have to dup10:48
Sagew00t: you probably had the latest update then already10:48
Sagew00t: assuming you did another zypper ref as well ;)10:49
phakoSage: touch: cannot touch `/usr/share/ssu/board-mappings.d/*.ini': No such file or directory10:49
Sagephako: that is ok'ish shouldn't break anything10:49
w00tSage: how can I verify the uid changed?10:49
phakohm, still trying to remove a lot of stuff.10:49
Sagew00t: after reboot check /etc/passwd and ls -l /home10:50
phako - is that ok?10:50
Sagephako: yes10:51
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sledgeswow old settings is going \o/10:53
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sledgesgood job w00t10:54
specialnew one has accounts too :>10:54
sledgesyup, accounts-ui binned :D10:55
sledgestogether with gst-nokia-camera &}10:55
w00tSage: rebooted to ui ;)11:01
w00tthough orientation seems broken11:01
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w00tlooks good11:04
* w00t pokes sensorfw11:05
kontiow00t: Aard: any comments to: ? what do you suggest to martyone?11:17
MerbotNemo bug 666 in .Other "libqtsparql-tracker-live-tests should be in a separate package and 1 test fails" [Normal,New]11:17
w00toops, not sure why i missed that mail11:19
w00turmmm let's see.11:20
w00tdo we regularly run tests on n900s? not many people here contributing are still working on them11:20
w00tso unless it fails on other hardware i'm not sure i'd bother with it11:21
SageI'm not testing on n900 anymore really. No time11:21
kontiow00t: martyone has just a n900 available, but same issue with n9...11:21
w00tmartyone: do you have a link to the diff you're trying out?11:22
w00tseems like it only touches tests, so i can't see any problem with that11:24
w00ti'd suggest using QTRY_COMPARE instead of timers and so on though11:25
w00t(copy the definitions if you're on qt 4, it's only available on qt 5)11:25
martyonew00t: in addition to this, d-bus timeout must be increased inside qsparql's tracker driver. Something like this
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w00tmartyone: perhaps an alternative is to add some private api that is called just to set that in test mode?11:32
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martyonew00t: this might work well. BTW are we sure the current timeout is ok for normal applications?11:39
w00tmartyone: not completely, but i haven't seen any problems around11:39
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w00tand if it isn't then the application probably needs fixing11:39
w00tthat is a huge amount of time to wait, it'd appear completely nonresponsive11:39
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martyonew00t: I agree11:40
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sledgesSage, so currently gst-nokia-camera is going away on n9?
martyonew00t: I just realized tracker should be the slow end, not the applications. In that case it is rather tracker what needs fixing. Or am I wrong?11:46
sledgesah ok, ssu-vendor-data-nemo needs to be upgraded first Sage11:47
sledgesdoing that now11:47
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w00tmartyone: i don't think it'd ever be this slow in real-world scenarios, my guess is that the tests are doing some rather interesting things that are giving it a heart attack11:49
w00tat least i haven't seen problems11:49
* sledges sits back and relaxes: 474 packages to upgrade, 2 to downgrade, 49 new, 38 to remove.11:50
martyonew00t: ok :)11:52
Sagesledges: yes gst-nokia-camera is going away11:52
sledgesbut got a replacement11:52
sledgeshmmm, will see what the camera quality is now11:52
sledges(in nemo n9 quality used to be like that of stock lumia's 800 with their best intentions :D )11:53
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Sagew00t: did you get the black box on your ui after update?12:09
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phakohm, can't connect to my wifi anymore12:13
sledgesvia new settings?12:13
phakoJan 01 01:04:04 localhost lipstick[430]: file:///usr/lib/qt4/imports/com/nokia/meego/PageStack.js:66: Error: Error while loading sheet: qrc:/qml/connectivity/SettingsSheet.qml:3 module "" is not installed12:14
sledgesstill if you need wifi, resort to connman-tests (just saying if you forgot)12:15
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w00ti'm not sure why that's imported12:15
w00ti'll take a look in a while12:15
phakosledges: never used connman12:16
phakoand while we're at it:12:16
phakoJan 01 01:06:36 localhost dbus-daemon[276]: dbus[276]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.23" (uid=100000 pid=430 comm="/usr/bin/lipstick --systemd ") interface=".../usr/sbin/mce ")12:16
phakoJan 01 01:06:36 localhost dbus[276]: [system] Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.23" (uid=100000 pid=430 comm="/usr/bin/lipstick --systemd ") interface="org.freedesktop.DB.../usr/sbin/mce ")12:16
w00tphako: or if you have mer sdk installed, you could always take a look :-p12:16
phakow00t: I have a mer sdk installed, but don't ask me how old it is12:17
* phako has like 4 different arm chroots on his hdd and a handful of different SDKS12:18
sledgesjoin the club :)12:18
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phakosledges: ehm12:21
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phakocan't install connman-test because, you see, no network ;)12:22
* phako does scp12:22
sledges"i thought you was gonna say this" :D12:22
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w00tsledges: no, i don't have that import installed either12:24
w00tso i'm a bit perplexed12:24
w00tbut i need to fix sensorfw mess first12:24
sledgesphako, tl;dr:
sledgesw00t, something left over in phako's installation which is asking for it12:24
w00tsledges: the qmlsettings repository asks for it12:25
w00tso it's asking for it on my device too, but somehow still working12:25
w00tno idea why12:25
* sledges about to finish zypper dup12:25
sledgeswill check on mine's then12:25
sledgesand pre-checks needed?12:25
sledgesbefore I reboot12:25
w00tnone afair12:26
phakoslaine: except that there's no connect-service on my device12:26
phakoer sledges12:26
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sledgesslaine, are you hibernating? :)12:27
sledgesok ignore me then phako :)12:27
phakook, works, thanks12:30
phakodon't get a status icon, though12:30
sledges"Du kannst nicht alles haben" :)12:31
sledges^ a good song by the Wise Guys btw12:31
phakoBut if you try some times12:32
Sagew00t: for me sensorfw works fine12:32
w00tSage: you probably don't have the qt5 daemon installed12:32
w00tI do12:32
* Sage checks12:32
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Sagew00t: right, I have the qt4 version installed12:33
phakogreat. back to filing gstreamer bugs12:33
Sagew00t: is the black box on your device after update?12:33
w00tlbt: can you pretty please add special access to mer webhooks panel?12:35
SageI wonder why I see it :/12:37
Sagew00t: you have some qt5 version of lipstick or something?12:37
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w00tmaybe because you have working sensorfw :-p12:37
w00tnot atm12:37
lbtw00t: special ... done (assuming login is "special" too)12:43
speciallbt: is there a "special"..?12:44
specialI thought it was jbrooks.12:45
w00tspecial: believe it or not, there's more than one special person in the world12:45
lbtspecial: I type into raw ldap - so it doesn't do any of this fancy validaton stuff :D12:46
lbtyou ask me to add special ... that's what you get ;)12:46
lbtok - try now with jbrooks12:47
lbtcool - np ... I should make a script that checks uid exists .... one day....12:48
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sledgesw00t, Sage , orientation stopped working even without reboot12:56
* sledges about to reboot12:56
w00tsledges: i'm working on that now12:57
w00tunfortunately it's a bit of a rabbit hole12:57
sledgesok, rebooting at will (just to confirm that i'm not on Sage's camp)12:57
SageWhy my device seems to behave differently than yours :D12:57
Sagesledges: no questions from me ;)12:58
sledgeswhy am i not surprised :)12:58
w00tSage: i have some extra packages installed as a result of working on qt5 stuff on here12:58
w00tthey dragged sensorfw-qt5 in12:58
w00tas for sledges, not sure12:58
sledgeshavent rebooted yet12:59
w00tok, so different problem13:00
sledgesstill stood by :)13:00
w00tprobably just killed sensorfw on upgrade, something i have noticed happening but not looked into yet13:00
sledgesrebooting, then will see13:00
sledgesps says no sensord running13:00
sledgeswow logo screen is back13:03
sledgesstill hallucinogenic though13:03
sledgesNICE unlock motion!13:04
sledgessensors (orientation) work13:04
sledgesand FINALLY the dreaded is fixed! thank you w00t \o/13:04
MerbotNemo bug 349 in Home "Panning between launcher and switcher is hard." [Normal,New]13:04
* sledges is going to close some bugs13:05
sledgesnope, false alarm for 349 :(13:09
sledgesat least got poked :D13:10
sledgeswifi works fine for me13:11
sledgesremembered old APs and passwords13:11
sledgesnew bug: switcher, launcher and home screens get ugly zoomed-in when in landscape13:12
phakothat's fine here13:17
w00tthat's weird13:18
w00tis it always like that?13:18
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sledgesnow what did I do to poor lipstick..13:18
sledgesmight be that my modifications persisted, but unlikely13:19
* sledges checks13:19
w00tkill it and see if it recurs13:19
sledgeserm, it's after reboot13:19
w00ti know13:20
w00tbut kill lipstick and see what happens13:20
sledgesok, worked13:20
sledgesdoes not recur13:20
sledgesnow let's repeat the steps that possibly triggered it ;)13:20
sledgesthis bug re-emerged:
MerbotNemo bug 521 in Home "When rotating the device while unlocking the screen the unlock screen partial lockscreen is shown" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]13:24
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cybetteqwazix: ping , you around?13:28
cybetteVenemo_: hi!13:28
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Venemo_hey cybrNaut13:31
Venemo_hey cybette13:31
Venemo_I was able to reach qwazix via the phone13:31
Venemo_fk_lx had his number13:31
Venemo_he's also coming at 5pm :)13:31
Venemo_so you're saying that Sage is also coming?13:33
Venemo_that's nice :)13:33
cybetteyes sage is coming13:33
Venemo_awesome :)13:33
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sledgesw00t, 100% reproducible now:13:38
sledgeslaunch settings, flip phone from landscape to portrait (or vice versa) with settings active13:39
sledgesminimise settings13:39
sledgesand in landscape all will be zoomed13:39
* sledges found it when launched new qmlsettings for the first time, immediately tested if that is rotateable ;)13:39
sledgesno idea why settings start changing lipstick's zoom factors just when rotating13:40
Venemo_w00t: you will have to come to Devaamo Summit next year13:40
Venemo_w00t: I won't accept any excuses! :P13:40
sledgesw00t, sorry, that can be caused by any app, not subject to qmlsettings13:42
cybetteVenemo_: leaving office, see you soon13:42
Venemo_see you soon cybette :)13:42
MerbotNemo bug 677 in Window Manager/Compositor "all lipstick screens can get zoomed in landscape" [Normal,New]13:47
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xavinuxsledge: Hi, I´ve been reading about bug 17
MerbotNemo bug 17 in Settings/ControlPanel "Brightness control panel does not work" [Normal,New]14:10
xavinuxMarko comment "This bug is fixed with n950 at least if you use rnd/devel repos with the new control panel." and Bug 222 has been marked as a duplicates of 17.14:10
MerbotNemo bug 222 in Settings/ControlPanel "Unable to adjust screen brightness" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]
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sledgesyes, it was me who pasted that comment #9 :D14:10
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sledgesbtw, xavinux , here's a fuller list for you to look into instead, sorted most recent first:
sledgesbecause we don't do triages often (/me eyes the busy bee iekku :))14:13
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xavinuxok....sorry..but what do you mean by "triage"?14:27
sledgeswhen there's a new bug reported14:30
sledgesit has to be 'triaged'14:30
sledgesmeans, priority and severity set14:30
sledgesby "the savvy people" :)14:31
sledgeswe used to do this weekly, but hasn't been done for a while (also means nemo now has way less bugs)14:31
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xavinuxunfortunately my N9 can´t be repair.... :(((14:43
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xavinuxsledge: can I continue helping anyway?14:46
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sledgesvery sad xavinux :( you can run nemo on Nexus 7 tablet14:51
sledgesor Pandaboard14:51
specialand lots of new hardware has been showing up14:52
* w00t tweaks special's hardware14:53
sledgesyup, works in progress14:53
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sledgesNexus4, Galaxy Nexus and BeagleBone Black are in horizons14:54
sledgesraspberry pi (but this is more Mer and simply UI only, not full nemo)14:54
w00trpi will come with wayland14:54
sledgesand topping the list today's tweet: nemo on Samsung Galaxy S2
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xavinuxok, but I have to buy a new hardware...I can´t help using the Virtualbox ISO till I can buy a new N9?15:01
sledgesyou can, as much as you can test on a VM, you will help15:02
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xavinuxwell, perhaps will wait till I can buy a new one and give a better help....:(15:21
sledgesall of the UI bugs are device-independent15:22
sledgesthe choice is yours, always is :)15:22
sledgeshow much can you get N900 off ebay these days?15:23
sledgesmy cousin had a very cheap deal for €100 of N9 as well (but that was probably down to where he lived..)15:23
xavinuxabout u$s 300 dollars here in Argentina...15:26
sledgesyeap, value of n9 doesn't drop, "good as gold, ..." :)15:27
xavinux350 dollars for a Nokia N9 in used conditions....15:27
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xavinuxfree only for my company15:27
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xavinux450 free for any company15:28
sledgeslost you there, 450 is not free :)15:28
sledgesor is it "free as in free ...." ? :)15:28
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xavinuxfree so I can use a chip of any cell company from here, Movistar, Personal or Claro15:42
sledgesah, unlocked15:43
xavinuxsorry, yes, unlocked15:43
xavinux"all of the UI bugs are device-independent" so can help in this with Virtualbox iso?15:47
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xavinuxsledge: what about Bug 411, can I use vm iso for thsi? perhaps can make guide in english and spansh too....15:54
MerbotNemo bug 411 in .Other "UX startup guide for first boot" [Task,New]
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sledgesxavinux, they are not talking about a guide in a document, but sort of a showcase mode, like when you first boot android it has many of such:
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sledgesso it would involve programming an overlay QML app16:04
sledgesgood start if you want try some UX coding16:04
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xavinuxah ok16:06
xavinuxall I did with QML was a hello wold window.... :)16:10
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Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: how would you implement that ?16:14
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe a sparate app that launch at the beginning ?16:14
sledgesSfiet_Konstantin, separate app would be the best16:15
sledgesas it can be discarded afterwards16:15
sledgeseasiest hackiest way would be to inject/poison lipstick's .qml files themselves16:16
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: baaah16:16
sledgesbecause all those overlays need to disappear when user actually goes on and tries (to unlock the lockscreen, to swipe around screens, minimising app would be harder)16:16
sledgesso yeah, an elegant separate app, which has always the top-most z-order, and communicates with lipstick via dbus16:17
sledgesif e.g. thanks to compositor we have another app loaded (e.g. qmlcalc)16:17
sledgeshow will our app will be overlaid then?16:17
sledgesto say that "swipe from side to minimise the active app"16:18
slaineWould have thought it would make more sense for lipstick to do it16:18
sledgesi think even compositor needs to be poked (or wait for wayland ;)16:18
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Aardwin 5416:21
sledgesAard, I got max 9 windows on irssi :D16:21
Aardlucky you16:22
AardI'm currently at least under 20016:22
sledges:D you are really interested in *everything* :))16:22
Aardtoo many people are interested in me :p16:22
Aardalmost all of those windows are work related16:23
sledgesI'll admit I had to use `/SET activity_hide_targets #boringchannel` , even with my <9 windows :))16:24
iekkusledges, i know, i have been way too busy. situation is going to change at july16:25
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sledgesahoj iekku, we're keeping calm and carrying on somehow, waiting for your comeback :)16:25
sledgessomething big is always brewing in Jolla's pot ;)16:26
iekkusledges, i'm on vacation now and most propably i will be off from computer next 2 mondays16:26
sledgesi see16:26
sledgesever thought of finding an apprentice/substitute temporarily? :)16:27
iekkusledges, i have tried that couple of times. mer works ok, but nemo doesn't16:29
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sledges:} roger16:30
iekkusledges, but if you could host triage, that would be great :)16:37
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sledgesI could, but I'm a night owl :D don't forget, UK is the 'earliest' european country :) (together with portugal)16:40
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sledgesmaybe someone else can, who knows the commands too..16:41
iekkusledges, i didn't remember the time difference, sorry16:43
sledgesnp, most people are awake by that time even here16:43
iekkuanyone willing to host 2 next nemo triages?16:43
iekkusledges, :D16:43
sledgesme is most probably running to work at that time halfasleep :D16:44
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iekkui have woke up one morning 7:00 during my vacation16:44
iekkutoday i woke up 6:30, was awake 1h and back to sleep16:44
sledgesniice isn't it?16:45
sledgeshow's your back?16:45
iekkubetter, but it was the reason keeping me awake this morning16:46
sledgeswell, rest plenty and come back fresh! :)16:47
iekkui have tried to practice it and do something else also than hanging on computer :P16:47
sledgesyoga? :)16:47
iekkunot my thing. have tried it and my back got worse16:49
sledgessometimes back gets worse before bettering when you start poking at it vigorously16:49
sledgeshappened to couple one of my students16:50
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xavinuxsledages: sorry, perhaps can see Bug 59?17:00
MerbotNemo bug 59 in SystemUI "Battery status is not show proper value after boot" [Normal,New]17:01
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* w00t has working sensors with a simple qt5 application \o/17:17
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Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: \o/17:19
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Burlonehello, i have a problem with Nemo mobile for N9, can someone help me?18:21
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SageBurlone: most probably. Can you describe the problem you are having?18:39
Burlonein practice I did not create the partition, I tried a bit of time with the 'help of Juiceme but nothing to do, I have the 16 gb18:40
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alihi every body18:58
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w00tsledges: ping19:29
SageBurlone:so you are having problems with moslo installation?19:29
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Venemo_Sage: hope you arrived home safely20:19
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sledgespong w00t21:29
w00tsledges: upgrade, restart lipstick (via killall lipstick) and see if your problem is gone21:31
sledgesthe one with zoom?21:32
w00tbut also the half-appearing lockscreen21:35
w00tall good? :)21:50
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xavinuxpeople which is the better way to program apps for N9 with python, PyQt or PySide?22:25
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sledgesw00t, my moslo is somehow outdated at home (32-bit flasher)23:18
sledgesdoesn't boot nemo23:18
sledgesso will retry tomorrow at 64-bit flasher23:18
sledgeswhich worked today23:18
sledgeshope update didn't bork anything, shouldn't have, as I did many boots after dup23:18
sledges(yes, im still using dual boot non persistent method, don't ask :D )23:19
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sledgesxavinux, with PySide I started coding right away, was real easy23:19
sledgesnever tried pyqt23:19
xavinuxok thanks, will try it so23:21
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xavinuxand  I can test  apps made with PySide on a Nemo VM or is better to install Harmattan in a VM for start coding?23:27
sledgesdidn't hear about harmattan in a VM23:28
sledgesnemo will do fine, as long as you use existing QML components23:28
xavinuxja ok...will try to run Harmattan in a VM :) will use Nemo23:34
xavinuxfor work with PySide...23:36
xavinuxas you seggest23:36
sledgesor harmattan, or nemo -- two different distributions ;)23:37
sledgesgood night and good luck!23:37
* sledges off23:37
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xavinuxgood night23:53

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