Sunday, 2013-06-16

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gry<ZogG_laptop> gry: i have pr1.3 for n950 only01:16
gryZogG_laptop: could you upload that somewhere pretty please? :)01:16
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ZogG_laptopgry: hey buddy :)04:38
ZogG_laptopgry: what version do you need?04:38
gryZogG_laptop: pr 1.3 for n950 I think... I'm just looking for a latest one05:11
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SageStskeeps: sure, after I get nemo promoted to the testing and snapshot done06:54
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sledgesheya faenil07:40
sledgeshow's stuff? :)07:40
faenilcool, cool07:46
faenilstill in Tampere, checking out the airport bus timetable though :(07:46
sledgesehh, can imagine: "so hard to say, so hard to leave" :)07:49
sledgesany good hacks on nemo over the weekend? :)07:49
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faenilsledges, not really, no, it was actually all social :=08:00
sledgesgood stugff:)08:00
faenilyeah, it was super awesome08:01
faenil /o/08:02
sledgeslife is life :D08:02
faenilahah let's not start this :D08:02
faenilyeah...back to studies tomorrow, got to enjoy last day :P08:02
faenilhow is it going here?08:03
sledges:D np, wasnt gonna start lol08:04
sledgestake the most of08:04
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faenilw00t, ping09:09
faeniloh I think he's on holiday already09:10
sledgesyup.. :(09:10
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* Sfiet_Konstantin is wondering how much efforts will be needed to do a nemo port of Friends10:00
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: do you know how different are the Qt components on nemo compared to harmattan ?10:01
rikaneeSfiet_Konstantin: optimally, you'll migrate it to use Silica components instead of qt-components10:02
Sfiet_Konstantinrikanee: in nemo ? :(10:02
Sfiet_Konstantinthe sailfish port is already being done, but I want to target nemo as well10:03
sledgesdont kniw withiut trying :) Sfiet_Konstantin10:05
sledgeswish i was at home niw10:05
sledgeswill be in cpl hours10:05
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sledgesSfiet_Konstantin, got an idea about flockable ;)10:08
sledgeslol the typo10:08
sledgesof you pull down at the top, it fires p10:09
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sledgesoff down like a slingshot10:09
sledgesfor fast scrolling ;)10:09
sledges^brainstorming :)10:10
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: thereis already something like that in silica :)10:18
sledgesapple goes: "shouldve patented it" :D10:23
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sledgeslets do one in nemo! :)10:25
sledgeswould be nice to port silica to nemo :D no?10:26
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sledgesor at least do theAPI  mapping10:46
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Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: would prefer to wait Silica to open source11:56
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sledgeswill it?12:09
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Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: it is said that it will12:48
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sledgesah good :12:55
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faenil[URGENT: TAMPERE] looking for help, didn't find a way to print the Checkin today, they want 70€, anyone who can print it for me??13:30
cos-faenil: i don't have printer at home but i'm going to hackerspace soon and there's a printer13:31
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cos-if you don't find any more convenient way, we could meet there and print it for you13:33
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faenilcos- im already at the airport...:(13:34
Superpelicanvgrade: sorry for asking, but have you already found something about the missing boot.scr?13:35
cos-faenil: you can ask them to print boarding pass for you.. sometimes they do it for free13:35
cos-at least on proper airlines (not ryanair)13:35
faenili tried13:40
cos-how soon do you need it?13:41
vgradeSuperpelican: no, sledges mentioned that others had sucessfully used that image though13:41
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sledgesSuperpelican, uboot is not part of the image13:44
sledgesread all warning signs here:
Superpelicanvgrade:I installed the uboot-pr13 package from Carsten Munk in Maemo13:44
SuperpelicanI don't have kernel power and am running CSSU Stable13:45
sledgesStskeeps, ^13:45
SuperpelicanI've booted Nemo Mobile from this exact card before13:45
SuperpelicanSo it isn't the card13:45
SuperpelicanUnless it got damaged13:45
Superpelicansledges: So you're saying that boot.scr is not part of the image?13:46
Superpelicannot part of the image?13:47
sledgesno uboot in this one13:47
Superpelicanthat's the one I used13:47
SuperpelicanShould I reinstall uboot-pr13?13:47
sledgesyou take care of uboot yourself13:47
sledgesit should provide .scr13:47
Superpelicanok, will try that then13:48
sledgesuboot-pr13 package doesn't provide .scr hmmmm13:53
sledgesprobably it gets generated at some point13:53
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faenilcos-, kengu2 is helping me, thx anyway!13:54
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Superpelicanreinstalled uboot-pr13 still the same errors14:32
sledgesSuperpelican, I just scanned nemo-armv7hl-n900-mmcblk0p.raw - there is no boot.scr there14:33
SuperpelicanIs there supposed to be a boot.scr in it?14:34
sledgesim sure everything what's in there, has to be in there, and nothing's missing14:35
Superpelicanis there a utility I can open the .raw myself?14:35
sledgesI just doublechecked14:35
SuperpelicanThen maybe I can check previous images14:35
sledgesSuperpelican, you can run fdisk on it14:35
sledgesbut i couldn't mount the partitions inside :(14:35
sledgesmount -o loop,offset=512 didnt work14:35
sledgesso I just viewed it with hexedit14:35
sledgesand searched for boot.scr14:35
SuperpelicanBut you said other people succesfully have used this image, right?14:36
sledgesi don't know which uboot they used though14:36
sledgesmaybe it was Pali's14:36
SuperpelicanCould my microSD be faulty?14:36
sledgeswell, it should fail on some other point14:36
sledgesif you reflashed14:37
Superpelicanwell I used dd14:37
Superpelicanand it succesfully exited14:37
sledgessure, how many times? ;)14:37
Superpelican2 times14:37
SuperpelicanAnd tried multiple times booting with 1 flash14:37
SuperpelicanThe only thing I did different than as the wiki describes14:38
Superpelicanis first extract the .bz214:38
Superpelicanand then just dd rightaway14:38
Superpelicanbut that shouldn't make a difference, right?14:38
SuperpelicanN900: "mmc1 available"14:38
SuperpelicanN900: "reading boot.scr"14:38
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SuperpelicanN900: "Unable to read "boot.scr" from mmc 0:1"14:40
SuperpelicanN900:"reading uImage"14:40
sledgesah ofcourse14:40
sledgesit just carries on14:40
sledgesboot.scr is -optional-14:40
sledgeswith default command line that is provided either within uboot or kernel14:41
Superpelicanand then it says: "twl4030 blahblah: Failed to register misc device"14:41
SuperpelicanBut I think that's normal14:41
SuperpelicanThen :"Power Management for TI OMAP3"14:42
SuperpelicanThat's probably normal too14:42
SuperpelicanThen: "drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0)"14:42
* sledges (curses), during days like these I wish I accepted an N900 offered by iekku :P14:43
SuperpelicanAnd now the most interesting part: "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel for guidance blahblah"14:43
* Superpelican wishes he gets offered a N914:43
sledgesSuperpelican, does it say anywhere [    0.000000] Kernel command line: .... ?14:44
Superpelicanshould I take a picture and upload it somewhere?14:44
Superpelicanof the various screens?14:44
sledgescan you control the uboot in any way?14:45
sledges(breaking into its prompt)14:45
sledgesor maybe trying Pali's u-boot ?14:45
SuperpelicanI don't know about that14:45
SuperpelicanI could try Pali's14:45
* Superpelican is going to take some screens14:46
sledgesalso, can you mount your card on your PC?14:47
sledgesand see all paritions?14:47
Superpelicanit sees "platform" and "boot"14:47
Superpelicanas 2 different devices14:47
Superpelicanso I think: yes14:47
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DocScrutinizer05I guess the missing boot.scr made for a bogus kernel cmdline that's missing the proper init= as uBoot already suggests14:50
sledgesSuperpelican, do any of those contain init binary ?14:51
DocScrutinizer05"init binary" is a fuzzy term14:51
DocScrutinizer05afaik for maemo for example it's /sbin/preinit14:52
sledgesDocScrutinizer05, kernel cmdline should come from kernel itself14:52
sledgesas it is the only package provided by nemo14:53
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DocScrutinizer05that largely depends on kernel14:53
DocScrutinizer05usually _not_14:53
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DocScrutinizer05actually the message "Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel..." is from kernel, not from uBoot, I'd say14:54
Superpelicansledges: the 2 screens: &&
sledgesDocScrutinizer05 it is from kernel surely14:55
sledgesmy logic is that nemo needs its own cmdline, so it injects it in kernel-adaptation-n90014:56
sledgesas there are no other packages in the boot chain14:56
sledgesuboot comes from maemo, but it doesn know what nemo kernel needs, so absence of boot.scr is logical14:56
DocScrutinizer05so if that kernel suggests "Try passing init= option..." but in fact ignores it since it's using hardcoded kernel cmdline then I'd say thumbs up for epic failure in the kernel14:57
DocScrutinizer05mind you: "Unable to read "boot.scr" from mmc 0:1"14:57
DocScrutinizer05aiui boot.scr is meant to get provided by the (nemo) system / fs you want to boot14:58
sledgesTry passing init option springs to mind that everything went fine, but rootfs was not mounted14:58
sledgesah, in case it needs to prepare u-boot as well14:59
DocScrutinizer05yep, rootfs is another kernel cmdline parameter set by boot.scr14:59
sledgesas boot.scr can contain more than just a bootargs, you're right14:59
sledgesbut boot.scr is nowhere to be found across all packages i checked14:59
SuperpelicanShould I uninstall uboot-pr13, run the --reinstall kernel-flasher stuff in Maemo & install Pali's uboot?15:00
DocScrutinizer05afaik uBoot looks for boot.scr in root (/) of first vfat partition of the uSD15:00
sledgesSuperpelican, anything under 'boot' partition when you put SD card into your host?15:01
DocScrutinizer05whatever means you used to prepare and populate your uSD partitons, it should as well provide the boot.scr15:01
SuperpelicanThe last time I put the microSD in the computer15:02
Superpelicanafter 1st flash15:02
Superpelicanthere where several files in the boot partition, yes15:02
Superpelicanincluding a uImage15:02
Superpelicanbut no boot.scr15:02
SuperpelicanI checked especially for the boot.scr15:02
SuperpelicanI will check again, give me a second15:03
DocScrutinizer05iirc it's in /, not /boot15:03
DocScrutinizer05but I may be wrong on that one15:03
* sledges needs to check kernel-adaptation-n900 config15:03
sledgesDocScrutinizer05, it is in /, just that VFAT's partitions volume label is 'boot'15:03
SuperpelicanDocScrutinizer05: you mean the "platform" partition, I suspect?15:03
DocScrutinizer05first VFAT partition15:04
DocScrutinizer05or maybe even 1st partition which has to be vfat15:04
SuperpelicanInserted microSD again15:05
SuperpelicanIt shows 2 "devices": "boot" && "platform"15:05
Superpelican"boot" contains: "config-2.6.37-1.3.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx-n900", "", "" && uImage15:06
Superpelican"platform" contains lots of Linux dirs15:06
Superpelicanlike home, opt, root, media, bin, boot, dev, etc...15:07
sledgesthis is the SD card's layout:
sledgesfirst partition - platform (ext3 or whichever ext)15:07
sledgessecond - swap15:07
sledgesthird - boot (vfat)15:07
SuperpelicanShould I compare with mine with fdisk -l?15:07
sledgesSuperpelican, it will be the same15:07
sledgesim just sheding some more light on the situation15:08
sledgesSuperpelican, you can check your platform:/boot/15:08
sledgesbut i think it will be empty15:08
Superpelicanplatform/boot is empty15:09
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SuperpelicanI just let dolphin search for "boot.scr" on platform15:10
Superpelicanno items found15:10
DocScrutinizer05N900: "Unable to read "boot.scr" from mmc 0:1  seems to suggest that uBoot looks for boot.scr on FIRST partition of mmc0. And *this* confuses me a bit: N900: "mmc1 available"15:11
sledgesjust a sem, still checking kernel config15:11
Superpelicanmaybe this is helpful:
Superpelicanjust use ctrl+f: "boot.scr" to jump to the relevant part15:11
SuperpelicanN900 doesn't mount the MMC when the cover is open, and15:12
Superpelicanthat's usually producing this kind of symptoms.15:12
Superpelicancited from the above link15:12
sledgesdid you close the back cover of N900 before booting..?15:12
SuperpelicanMaybe my rear cover sensor is broken?15:12
SuperpelicanI'll try the image I used the first time I booted Nemo Mobile15:13
SuperpelicanIf that doesn't work it's either uboot or broken sensor15:13
SuperpelicanOr I'll try Cordia HD15:13
SuperpelicanHmm, first time was December 201215:14
SuperpelicanThat image isn't on the repo anymore15:14
Superpelicanfirst is 9 Jan 201315:14
sledgesCONFIG_CMDLINE="root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 rootwait ro console=ttyO2,115200n8 console=tty0 omapfb.vram=0:2M,1:2M,2:2M mtdoops.mtddev=2 quiet"15:14
sledgesit's inside the kernerl15:15
SuperpelicanWhat does it do exactly?15:16
SuperpelicanDownloaded Cordia HD image15:16
Stskeepslooks right15:16
sledgesit comes into effect when uboot (itself or from boot.scr) does not provide bootargs15:16
SuperpelicanSo boot.scr is 100% unrelated to the image?15:17
SuperpelicanOtherwise I can try uncompressing the downloaded image with bzcat15:17
Superpelicanlike on the wiki15:17
sledgesit might have extra initialisation for uboot15:17
Superpelicaninstead of ark (KDE)15:18
DocScrutinizer05that cmdline has no init=15:18
SuperpelicanCould I manually set init= ?15:18
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sledgesSuperpelican, why you no image? :)15:18
sledgesDocScrutinizer05, means it goes through defaults15:18
SuperpelicanI know15:19
DocScrutinizer05so either kernel tries to load whatever is default in kernel (/sbin/init ?), or the whole thing can't work at all15:19
sledgesthere's a list in kernel source (starts with /init, then /sbin/init probably ../preinit etc)15:19
xavinuxsledges: Hi, how are you...15:19
sledgesxavinux, not too bad, fighting for n900 as you see :)15:19
sledgesxavinux, yourself?15:19
sledgesGentSir was interested in how you xavinux managed to get internet to nemo vm ?15:20
DocScrutinizer05and I'm not too happy with that console=ttyO215:20
DocScrutinizer05it most likely eats lots of power all the time15:20
sledgestty0 you mean15:21
sledgesah, the first occurrence15:21
xavinuxwell I want to tell you btw that I downloaded image i586 but after 9nstalled it in Hard disk didn t boot any more15:21
xavinuxbut I try i486 and after installed it to Hard disk runs ok15:22
sledgesxavinux, use i486, i586 is broken :{15:22
sledgeswell done \o/15:22
xavinuxand can connect via SSH from my Ubuntu Desktop15:22
xavinuxahhhh ok15:22
sledgesxavinux, but do you access internet from within vm?15:22
xavinuxyes I do15:23
sledges*can you15:23
sledgeswith bridged or with NATted net adapter?15:23
xavinuxno I set Bridge15:24
xavinuxand it isn t nevessary to nat port 2215:24
sledgesthanks for that info, GentSir will be happy :)15:24
xavinuxafter installation can connect via SSH to the root console from Ubuntu 12.0415:24
xavinuxthe only thing that don t work in i48615:25
xavinuxis when15:25
xavinuxCTRL+F2 is pressed15:25
xavinuxafter installation can t access15:25
xavinuxroot console for login15:25
sledgesblack screen?15:26
xavinuxblack screen15:26
sledgesknown issue :)15:26
sledgesssh should suffice ;P15:26
xavinuxF2, F3, F4 ....all in black screen15:26
sledgesit was due to the graphics drivers (mesa llvmpipe <- Stskeeps knows that bit )15:26
Superpelicandd'ing cordia hd image to microSD15:26
xavinuxah ok15:26
xavinuxwich is the diference between i486 and i586?15:27
sledgesSuperpelican, im bunzipping nemo n900 20120920.1. 2012-10-0715:27
sledgesxavinux, instruction set15:27
Superpelicanok, thanks15:28
Superpelicanbut where did you get that 2012 image?15:28
sledgesSuperpelican, see that link15:28
Superpelicanah, I see15:28
sledgeswhere i said "why you no image" ;D15:28
SuperpelicanI was looking at the wrong column15:28
xavinuxSuperpelican from
SuperpelicanI was looking at the "uploaded on"15:29
Superpelicancolumn on the page you're linking to15:29
SuperpelicanThey were apparently reuploaded in 201315:29
SuperpelicanBut it are the same images15:29
Superpelicanflashing to microSD done15:29
Superpelicantrying cordia HD15:29
Superpelicancordia HD image gives the same errors15:31
Superpelicanalso can't read boot.scr15:31
xavinuxsledges: instructions set are ARM in both images i486 and i586?15:31
sledgesok, so nemo not a fault :)15:31
SuperpelicanIt's uboot or the rear cover sensor15:31
sledgesxavinux, they are Intel CPU instructions15:31
SuperpelicanI'll try booting while pressing the rear cover15:31
sledgesxavinux, ARM CPU instructions are in the ARM images ;)15:32
xavinuxand what instructions differences are between both images?15:33
sledgesxavinux, it's how they are compiled for a particular CPU (nemo features and functionality is identical across both):
SuperpelicanGoing to try exactly: "bzcat nemo-armv7hl-n900-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | dd bs=4096 | pv -s 3816M | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdb"15:34
sledgesok Superpelican .. i wonder if anyone else is here with n900 who could tell their boot messages15:36
sledges(regarding boot.scr and whatnot)15:36
xavinuxmy notebook is CORE2 DUO CPU, is that the reason that I must use i486 intead of i586 image15:36
Superpelicanxavinux: not think so15:37
sledgesxavinux, no, in nemo i586 there is a bug15:37
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Superpelicanxavinux: technically core 2 duo is x86_6415:37
Superpelicanxavinux: and also supports i68615:37
xavinuxok so it s a bug issue....15:37
xavinuxof the i486 iso....I understand now...15:38
Superpelicanxavinux: but I thought I had read on the Mer wiki that there was a very strange i*86 mapping within the project15:38
Superpelicani586 was actually i686 or something like that15:38
sledgesSuperpelican, xavinux , yes:
Superpelicansledges: Yes I meant hat15:40
Superpelicanwas just searching for that15:40
sledges:) read your mind15:40
Superpelicanbut i*86 is backwards compatible, right?15:41
SuperpelicanAnswering myself, yes: i486: "Generic i486+ X86 port"15:42
Superpelicanand i586: "SSSE3 enabled X86 port "15:42
SuperpelicanSo i586 is basically only for extra performance15:42
Superpelicanarmv7hl under armv8el?15:43
SuperpelicanThat really is confusing15:43
Superpelicanand what when ARMv8 comes along?15:43
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StskeepsSuperpelican: that's due to history and insanity from obs side..15:43
Stskeepswe had no other choice at that point15:43
Superpelicanand now you've probably more important things to do than finding out how to change all that stuff15:44
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Superpelicansledges: dolphin complains about bad superblock while accesing "platform" on the microSD while cordia is flashed15:47
SuperpelicanBut it didn't when Nemo was flashed15:48
SuperpelicanSo I don't think that's it15:48
SuperpelicanAnyway, going to flash nemo again with bzcat this time15:48
Superpelicanlike on the wiki15:48
Superpelicaninstead of first extracting with ark15:48
Superpelicanand then plain dd'ing15:48
Superpelicancomputer getting sluggish due to copying large amount data from external USB drive :(15:49
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Superpelicansledges: flashing with bzcat didn't help either15:57
Superpelicansledges: Going to try Pali's uboot now15:57
Superpelicansledges: where do you actually find Pali's uboot, also in extras-devel?15:57
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marxistvegananyword on the N9 firmware recovery mirror being found?16:05
sledgesmarxistvegan, yes16:08
marxistvegansledges: what is the word?16:08
sledgesPMed you16:09
Superpelicanbrb, need to reboot my system16:11
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marxistvegansledges: awesome...though now i need to figure out which one to use16:12
marxistvegansledges: are there any major differences or is the standard 16gb row black ok16:13
marxistvegansledges: I was looking at the first one listed16:14
sledgesROW = rest of the world16:14
marxistveganthat seems good then, cause US is not listed and neither is mexico16:15
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marxistvegansledges: I am going to go with the rest of the world, but will have to wait slow internet and that is one big file16:25
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: hey16:30
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Superpelicansledges: I'm trying to install Pali's u-boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap116:42
Superpelicansledges:I've deinstalled uboot-pr13 and run apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher16:42
Superpelicansledges: and rebooted, but can't install pali's uboot: "!!!U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 breaks the 3rd party package policy"16:43
sledgesSuperpelican, ^16:46
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Superpelicansledges: I don't have kernel power16:47
ZogG_laptopSuperpelican: so what are your powers>16:48
SuperpelicanZogG_laptop: I have stock Nokia kernel16:49
sledgesSuperpelican, you tried cordia and two different nemo images - same problem16:49
sledgesi don't think your uboot is wrong softwarewise16:50
sledgesi sniff some hw problems16:50
Superpelicansledges: :(16:51
Superpelicansledges:It really used to work16:51
Superpelicansledges:Do you suspect N900 or microSD card16:51
sledgesbut you tried that old image again16:51
sledgesand it doesn't work16:51
Superpelicansledges:I' haven't tried the old image actually16:51
sledgeswell, to try another sd card is easiest16:51
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Superpelicansledges:but what about Pali's U-BOOT?16:52
sledgesit's for power kernel as it says16:52
Superpelicansledges:Is it temporarily broken?16:52
* sledges not got a n900 here sadly16:52
sledgesi thought you could try pali as an alternative16:53
sledgesbecause if it was SD card fault, why would cordia and twon nemos fail16:53
sledgeson the same place?16:53
sledgeson an sd card16:53
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sledgesas cordias fs layout is different i'd expect16:54
Superpelican__sledges: should I install Stskeeps's U-Boot again?16:56
sledgesi though it's still there16:56
sledgeswell, once you said your sdcard (dolphin??) complained about superblock16:56
sledgesit can be that kernel cannot mount properly the main (platform) rootfs and cannot find init16:56
sledgesso it's sd card's fault16:56
sledgesor back lid cover switch problem (need to figure out how exactly does n900 stop booting when there's no lid - what are the messages etc)16:57
sledgesas that link wasn't exactly about that16:57
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Superpelican__dolphin is the file manager of KDE :)16:59
Superpelican__but why can the N900 load the Nemo kernel then?17:05
Superpelican__if it's the SD card's fault?17:05
sledgesnot the whole card is broken17:11
sledgesjust platform bits17:11
sledgesenough if only info around your init binary is borked17:11
sledgesbut weirdest is that you -can- mount it on your host17:11
sledgesmight be that it wore down to a level where n900/kernel can't deal with it anymore17:12
* vgrade writes image to sdcard to try in n90017:12
sledgesafter what i've seen in embedded world, anything becomes possible :D17:14
sledgesjust by looking into this statement: .. race condition... This has been confirmed on at least Samsung cards (8 GB class 6 and CLass 10 by Netweaver and Flocke000) ... :)17:16
sledgesthere are issues with proper initialization of the SD card ^17:16
sledgesalthough surely your n900 not being able to boot from sd card anymore can also be possible17:16
sledgesso far so it seems17:16
Superpelican__I've a Sandisk Ultra Mobile 8 GB SDHC UHS-I17:19
Superpelican__Faster than class 1017:19
Superpelican__Bought it specially for running Nemo on n900 :)17:19
Superpelican__I've flashed images to it about 10 times max including today17:20
Superpelican__That's all I've used it17:21
Superpelican__It's as good as new17:21
sledgesfaster than class 10 ? could be too cool for school17:21
sledgesbut I know I know, you say it worked some day in the past17:21
sledgesso let's just try that old image one shall we?17:21
sledgesand wait for vgrade to say his boot sequence messages17:21
Superpelican__I've also installed uboot-p13 again17:22
Superpelican__and I've also done apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher17:22
Superpelican__Because I wanted to install Pali's Uboot17:23
Superpelican__I didn't do that the 1st time I reinstalled U-boot17:23
sledgesdoubt if that's relevant17:24
Superpelican__I did drop my n900 a few times after the first time I tried Nemo17:26
Superpelican__So maybe it's really a hw fault :(17:26
Superpelican__Although I haven't noticed any weird behaviour17:26
sledgesinternal part of a back lid latch?17:27
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#352 waiting for review at
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DocScrutinizer05Superpelican__: "third party policy" error in HAM? Caused by expired Nokia cert. Enable red-pill mode in HAM, in setting smenu check "ignore 3rd party policy" (OWTTE)17:41
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Superpelican__:( just installed Uboot-pr1317:43
DocScrutinizer05np, the advice is valid tomorrow as well ;-D17:46
Superpelican__But where do you find the red-pill mode?17:48
sledgesin settings menu17:48
DocScrutinizer05ask aunt google17:51
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DocScrutinizer05here you are:
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SuperpelicanDocScrutinizer05: where do you find the 3rd party policy option in the settings menu?18:17
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SuperpelicanYou mean in the "Settings"18:19
SuperpelicanOr in a settings/options part of HAM?18:19
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sledgesunder "Activate"18:22
Superpelicanok thanks18:24
Superpelicangoing to try18:24
SuperpelicanI've already updated the config file18:24
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* Superpelican is installing Pali's U-boot18:30
Superpelicansuccessfully installed :D18:30
Superpelicannow trying if Nemo works18:31
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vgradeSuperpelican: , sledges image works here18:31
sledgesvgrade, does it spit boot.scr not found?18:31
sledgesdid he just quit? :D18:32
sledgesthose were his last words: 19:31 < Superpelican> now trying if Nemo works18:32
vgradebut continues to boot nemo kernel18:32
sledgesvgrade, using which uboot?18:32
sledgesStskeeps' ?18:32
vgradefrom instruction on wiki18:33
sledgesthere are two options18:33
sledgesCarsten's and Pali's18:33
Stskeepsstop hilighting me :(18:33
vgradedid it probably two years ago18:33
sledgeslol to all :)18:34
sledgeswell, it's your uboot Stskeeps nevertheless :P18:34
DocScrutinizer05Stskeeps: people think they can highlight me by doc or docs, go figure ;-)18:34
vgradesledges: I remember enabling extras etc18:35
DocScrutinizer05Stskeeps: I suggest you change your highlight regex to "Stskeeps:"18:35
StskeepsDocScrutinizer05: it becomes a problem in #tizen at times, yes18:35
DocScrutinizer05or even "^Stskeeps:"18:38
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SuperpelicanPali's U-Boot didn't help18:41
SuperpelicanStill getting the same error18:41
SuperpelicanWill try the old 2012 image when I've time again18:41
sledgeswell, sd card or n90018:41
sledgesvgrade, which image did you just try?18:41
Superpelicanprobably next weekend18:41
SuperpelicanHas vgrade also tried on his N900?18:42
vgradeyes works ok18:42
sledgeslatest img?18:42
vgradeif I boot without back cover i get panic and no init found18:42
sledgesSuperpelican, poke around the lid cover switch :)18:43
SuperpelicanProbably my sensor is broken then18:43
sledgeswith a match stick maybe18:43
vgradethere was a magnet trick I recall18:43
SuperpelicanCan't we make a Nemo Mobile BBRE ;)18:43
SuperpelicanBroken Rear Cover Edition18:44
Superpelicanwith support for broken rear covers :)18:44
Superpelicanwhere is the lid cover switch?18:44
Superpelicannever noticed one18:44
dm8tbrthe magnet is under the kickstand18:45
sledgesSuperpelican, backcover swithes of SD card18:45
DocScrutinizer05sledges: eh???18:45
sledgesDocScrutinizer05, and all:
sledges*lack of backcover18:45
DocScrutinizer05you think I need that?18:45
sledgesSuperpelican, you could flash nemo onto nand, no?18:45
DocScrutinizer05you could also find a fridge magnet18:47
DocScrutinizer05and cut a small piece of it18:47
Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#350 Rejected promotion request18:48
Superpelicansledges: never tried that and would rather not try flashing to nand18:48
Superpelicann900 is my only phone18:48
Superpelicanneed it for everyday use18:48
sledgeswell Superpelican we finally arrived to the rootcause18:49
Superpelicanehhh, that metal thing which is shown on that picture18:49
Superpelicanwith a red oval drawn around it18:49
SuperpelicanI can't remember I've actually seen the whole thing ever18:50
Superpelicanjust checked18:51
SuperpelicanI don't have it18:51
Superpelicannever had18:51
sledgesposts #24,#28,#3018:51
sledgesand so on18:51
Superpelicanbut my rear cover does have a special place like shown on the picture18:52
sledgespost #38 afterwards18:52
sledgesSuperpelican, it's because you haven't stuck anything on it yet (and that guy did stuck a magnet on there)18:52
sledgesso basically at first by holding a fridge magnet against that place, you should be able to boot nemo18:52
Superpelicanwait a second18:55
SuperpelicanI suddenly remember that recently my camera suddenly opens sometimes, just randomly18:56
Superpelicanseveral times a day, past days18:56
Superpelicanthat's probably related to the problem18:57
sledgescrazy world :)18:57
SuperpelicanIt just randomly opened the camera app again18:58
SuperpelicanI was wondering why it was doing that all those days18:59
Superpelicanand now I understand18:59
Superpelicaneither it brokenhearted or something is loose since I dropped it accidently18:59
Superpelicanautocorrect on maemo ;)19:00
sledgesyes, your n900 might be brokenhearted as well :)19:00
Superpelicanbrokenhearted = broken19:00
sledgestrue too19:00
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neochapayhi every one i have first boot nemo on friendlyarm :) no sound no touch but it only first boot :)19:01
Superpelicanpoor thing it's a victim of my clumsiness ;)19:01
Superpelicannow it's brokenhearted lol19:01
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Superpelicanwell just another reason Jolla really has to hurry :)19:02
phaeronneochapay: cool :)19:04
vgradeneochapay: noce19:04
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neochapayThere is one thing but the interface does not start automatically, and I do not understand why19:05
neochapayand touch not work :)19:05
neochapaybut the mouse is saving me19:06
sledgesneochapay, great \o/ job19:06
sledgesneochapay, must be mcompositor probably19:06
vgradeneochapay: systemd usersession is in control of boot order.19:06
sledgeshow do you start manually? lipstick?19:06
vgradeneochapay: if something does not run then sequence does not complete19:07
neochapaysledges: yes i connect to ssh and run DYSPLAY=:0 lipstick19:07
neochapaysledges: mcompositor says no EGL support :(19:07
sledgesthat's the reason19:08
sledgesyou can get gui to boot automatically19:08
sledgesjust comment out in /usr/lib/systemd/lipstick.service19:08
sledges(or .service, can't ever remember)19:08
sledgesneochapay, could you tweet that as well btw pls?19:09
vgradeneochapay: try installing xorg-x11-drv-mtev and edit xorg.conf to use mtdev instead of evdev, sometimes gets touch working19:11
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neochapaysledges: did not help :(19:15
neochapayvgrade: ок 2 min pls19:15
neochapaysledges: twi19:16
sledgesneochapay, thanks hope you don't mind the embed pic:
neochapayOf course not19:23
sledgesneochapay, journalctl will show what's failing and when during startup19:24
sledgescommenting out mcompositor* in /usr/lib/systemd/user/lipstick.service used to do the trick on other boards (am355x, imx6)19:25
ZogG_laptopbtw why latest version lack of most settings :(19:26
sledgesZogG_laptop, 'cause they never worked anyhow lol19:27
sledgesnemo is WIP, so the new settings is lightweight and does not depend on dead frameworks anymore19:27
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ZogG_laptopsledges: date/time had nice feature i miss19:27
ZogG_laptop12/24 hours :)19:27
sledgesI bet is just a one line fix ;P19:27
sledgesnow that it is all clean19:28
sledgesQML rewritten19:28
ZogG_laptopwhere is nemo code btw?19:28
Superpelicanhmm opening lens cover also only sometimes triggers launch of camera app19:30
Superpelicanbefore it worked19:30
sledgesSuperpelican, dodgy connections19:30
Superpelicanit's really that rear cover stuff19:30
Superpelicanwell I'll try magnets next weekend19:31
Superpelicanand thanks for all your help19:31
neochapaysledges: i think start UI not write on systemd :(19:31
vgradeSuperpelican: np19:31
sledgesneochapay, try as non-root (nemo) user: journalctl19:31
neochapaysledges: i have only root user :)))19:32
sledgeswell there's your answer19:32
sledgesXorg is launched as UID 100019:32
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sledgesand all deps afterwards19:32
neochapaysledges: ok what groups add to new user ?19:32
SuperpelicanI think I should clean the rear cover too19:33
sledgesby user-session@1000.service19:33
SuperpelicanIt has lots of dust19:33
ZogG_laptopanyone mind to tell me where qml files of native apps?19:33
ZogG_laptopand why mlocate is not in repos :)19:34
sledgesneochapay, it's handled by systemd, standard intallation has that user setup19:34
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ZogG_laptopsystemd ?19:34
ZogG_laptopis nemo infeccted with it?19:34
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sledgeslol ZogG_laptop , you want to go back to init.d ? :D19:34
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: when backcover magnet sensor doesn't signal that back lid is closed then opening cam door will not have any effect19:34
sledgesZogG_laptop, e.g. for settings app QMLs are right here:
ZogG_laptopsledges: i don't like things like systemd19:35
DocScrutinizer05If I had to bet on sth, I'd bet on: your back lid magnet sticks to the metal patchy in kickstand19:35
ZogG_laptopwhen do they include kernel in it?19:35
sledgesZogG_laptop, I didn't like either, until started analysing how nemo uses it and my desktop distro (archlinux) started using it19:36
DocScrutinizer05so each time you flip out the kickstand a few degrees, the magnet sensor thinks the lid got removed19:36
sledgesZogG_laptop, kernel is different per-device, hardware adaptations exist in mer/nemo build system (
vgradeZogG_laptop: nemo is transitiong to git repos. Most middleware is there, rest will follow.  Other packages can be found on merproject OBS19:36
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DocScrutinizer05flip out kickstand and check if there's a magnet in that pit in middle of lower end of where kickstand rests in back lid19:39
DocScrutinizer05check if at same location there's a small magnet on kickstand itself19:40
DocScrutinizer05or just the flush metal patchie19:40
DocScrutinizer05you can glue the magnet back into place with a drop of superglue19:40
DocScrutinizer05(let "dry" for at least 5h!)19:41
DocScrutinizer05(keep kickstand away from magnet for that time)19:41
neochapayithink its not good :)19:42
neochapayJun 16 22:40:10 nemo-friendlyarm systemd[1845]: ngfd.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=119:42
neochapayJun 16 22:40:10 nemo-friendlyarm systemd[1845]: Unit ngfd.service entered failed state.19:42
neochapayJun 16 22:40:11 nemo-friendlyarm oneshot[1955]: rm: cannot remove `/etc/oneshot.d/1000/00-initial-user-setup': Permission denied19:42
neochapayJun 16 22:40:11 nemo-friendlyarm oneshot[1955]: oneshot: /etc/oneshot.d/1000/00-initial-user-setup - FAIL19:42
neochapayJun 16 22:40:11 nemo-friendlyarm invoker[1980]: error: Failed to initiate connect on the socket.19:42
neochapayJun 16 22:40:11 nemo-friendlyarm invoker[1980]: error: Start application /usr/bin/voicecall-ui as a binary executable without launcher...19:42
sledgesneochapay, pastebin pls19:42
neochapaysledges: sory19:42
sledgesworth checking what that initial-user-setup does19:43
sledgeshmmmm, and oneshot scripts should start only once per installation ;)19:43
vgradeprobably wrote files as root , now can't run as nemo user19:43
sledgesso something is wrong earlier19:43
sledgesneochapay, in short, deploy your nemo rootfs by untarring it with --numeric-owner19:45
neochapaysledges: i create my rootfs myself :)19:46
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DocScrutinizer05see for magnet and metal patchie (sorry for the dust, nfc where it's from, it seems it's not on the phone)19:47
sledgesneochapay, that sentence still holds :P19:48
ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: what dd you do to that poor n90019:48
neochapaythis full boot log
DocScrutinizer05ZogG_laptop: maybe that other N900 which shot the photo had some dust on lens ;-P19:49
DocScrutinizer05I I have dust here that's only visible in blueish-white LED light19:50
DocScrutinizer05s/I I/Or I/19:50
sledgesneochapay, did you place the kernel modules on nemo rootfs? And it also needs to have proper UIDs across all files, could you check it has not only "root:root" everywhere?19:51
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ZogG_laptopDocScrutinizer05: GIVE ME ONE :)19:53
ZogG_laptopyou have too many19:54
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neochapaysledges: no not only root:root i can  start lipstic but sysui crash to segfl19:56
sledgesneochapay, sure lipstick is not picky about how you start it19:58
sledgesbut proper permissions and hardware adaptation files in place is what ensures the integrity of the system19:58
sledgesalso, don't forget, you have no GSM chip (and other peripherals) on board, so many thing -will- crash19:59
neochapaysledges: i have gsm usb nodem ^)19:59
sledgesno problem, but do you have hardware adaptation for it? ;)20:01
neochapaysledges: of course not tooday i just boot on nemo and get first steep :)20:02
sledgessure :)20:03
sledgesjust now it's obvious that your journalctl will be a nightmare :)20:03
DocScrutinizer05  I start to think it's sensor noise20:03
neochapaysledges: yep :) but i go to sleep :)20:04
sledgesfair play :)20:05
sledgeshave a dream of what you want to iron out next on your board ;)20:05
sledgesideally you'd resort to lean and mean Mer distro, without any nemo bits20:06
sledgeshave Xorg running, a qmlviewer20:06
sledges(a tiny subset of what you have now)20:06
sledgesand work on hardware acceleration20:06
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sledgesgsm modem,gps; or whatever tickles your fancy :)20:06
Superpelicanfrom wikipedia: "Hot swapping works based on a magnetic sensor which detects removal of the back cover, which causes the partition to be unmounted. "20:07
neochapaysledges: i think first UX touch and EGL20:07
Superpelicanthat's why it doesn't find the boot.scr20:08
Superpelicanyou were right20:08
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: see backscroll20:08
sledgesc00l, plain Mer will have glestest for you to measure FPS20:09
sledgesand touch will be through Xorg's mtev driver as vgrade pointed out20:09
sledgesneochapay, ^20:09
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: I dunno when you rejoined after [2013-06-16 21:34:23] <-- Superpelican has left this server (Quit: Leaving).20:09
DocScrutinizer05Superpelican: alas it seems here's no channel logging available20:10
sledgesyes it is20:10
Superpelicanyes there is20:10
sledgesit's in the topic :)20:10
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-16 21:34:50] <DocScrutinizer05> Superpelican: when backcover magnet sensor doesn't signal that back lid is closed then opening cam door will not have any effect20:10
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-16 21:35:51] <DocScrutinizer05> If I had to bet on sth, I'd bet on: your back lid magnet sticks to the metal patchy in kickstand20:10
sledgestoo late :)20:10
DocScrutinizer05[2013-06-16 21:36:32] <DocScrutinizer05> so each time you flip out the kickstand a few degrees, the magnet sensor thinks the lid got removed20:10
Superpelicanif I remember correctly20:11
Superpelicanit's indeed also in the topic20:11
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DocScrutinizer05anyway the question is: is your *magnet* where it should be?`20:12
sledgesas they say: the road to hell is paved with good intentions :)20:15
GentSirsledges, thanks for pinging me in that earlier. That info was useful20:17
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sledgeswelcome GentSir , did you use i586 ? ;)20:20
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GentSirsledges, yes, i486 is coming down the tubes right now20:22
Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#353 waiting for review at
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xavinuxsledge: after updating Nemo i486 do I need somthing else to start devolpe with Pyside...Python and QT20:57
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ZogG_laptopsledges: you know why i have systemd21:16
ZogG_laptopbecause something fails on boot in my mersdk virtual machine and as i loged in there is no F log there21:16
ajalkanes/have/hate ?21:17
ZogG_laptopthanks you :)21:18
ZogG_laptopsome people just make things more difficult when it's totally not a solution21:18
vgradeZogG_laptop: journalctl21:18
ZogG_laptopvgrade: why would i want to use tool just to read logs? normaly in any distro logs are /var/log21:19
vgradeZogG_laptop: whatever21:19
ZogG_laptopwhy do people need to reinvent the wheel21:20
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sledgesZogG_laptop, learn to embrace change. I had to. There's no other way21:39
sledgesg'nite people!21:40
ZogG_laptopsledges: we'll see about it21:40
sledgesxavinux, qt is there. zypper in python?21:40
xavinuxsledges: I am staring with PySide( Python + Qt).21:43
ZogG_laptopxavinux: there is other option21:43
ZogG_laptoplemme find link21:44
xavinuxwould like to know if I nedd to install some extra package in my Nemo VM start working with it21:44
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xavinuxthanks ZogG_laptop, will read that21:47
xavinuxseems to be an alternative to Pyside, but is it better to start with it or Pyside is a better option to start programming apps in Python?21:51
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xavinuxwondering how can I restart network service....23:24
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