Friday, 2013-07-19

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cousin_luigiGreetings.06:19
Stskeepslo06:21
cousin_luigiI was thinking of getting myself a Nokia N9 now that they're discounted: would nemo be a valid alternative to the stock OS?06:22
cousin_luigiIs it a FAQ?06:25
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xavinuxhttp://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/installing-sailfish-sdk-on-ubuntu.html  Installing Sailfish SDK on Ubuntu06:42
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dm8tbrcousin_luigi: it is working for general daily use. Albeit close it's probably not a full replacement though.06:48
cousin_luigidm8tbr: What about apps, gps navigation especially?06:55
dm8tbrcertainly nothing of the calibre of nokia maps06:56
dm8tbrif you want navigation, boot harmattan06:56
dm8tbr(you can have a boot menu)06:56
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cousin_luigiI see.06:59
cousin_luigiHow large is each OS?06:59
dm8tbrharmattan has its own space reserved in nand. nemo partition can be resized. I think the minimum is 500M or so07:00
cousin_luigiPondering about the 16 or 64 storage version.07:00
cousin_luigiI see. Thanks.07:00
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piggzso, im off work this morning...hope i can create my first package for nemo!07:25
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piggzis it possible to set up qtcreator with a compiler and qt version for nemo?  and have it build an rpm?07:43
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Stskeepspiggz: think with the sailfish sdk you could potentially piggyback on it07:47
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Venemo_N9piggz, by writing custom stuff it surely can07:48
piggzah cool, i have that installed, tho, i will need qt5 too ...... i could just try building on the phone!07:48
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piggzhow are your development environments set up?07:57
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piggzi think i'll write off using qt-creator...08:21
w00t__piggz: don't know about anyone else but I use mer platform SDK plus a nemo sb2 rootfs - mer wiki should have good instructions about it08:25
piggzw00t__: thats exactly what im doing...08:26
piggzw00t__: which sb2 pattern will i want for cross compiling, armv7l?08:30
sledgesarmv7hl08:31
sledgesmorning :)08:31
piggzsledges: thx ... uname says armv7l on n95008:31
piggzmorning :)08:32
sledgesbut this one says different: 21:32 < piggz> ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268.1-3.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl08:32
sledges;)08:32
piggzah08:32
sledgeswill just have to trust me I guess :)08:32
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piggzsledges: ok...this cmd doesnt work 'sudo zypper in -t pattern Mer-SB2-armv7hl' (running from inside the sdk prompt)08:35
piggzfrom https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Compiling_with_the_SDK08:35
piggzi guess ive missed a step somewhere08:36
sledgesplease say how it doesn't work08:36
piggz1. it doesnt like the -t .... without the -t there are no such package08:37
sledgeswhat does it say as a whole?08:37
piggzi guess its this...08:38
piggzError building the cache:08:38
piggz[|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s)08:38
piggzWarning: Disabling repository 'mer-tools' because of the above error.08:38
sledgesssu lr08:38
sledgespls :)08:38
piggzssu cmd not found08:39
piggz:)08:39
sledgeszypper lr -u08:40
piggzoops, ive reached my paste limit on pastebin :)08:41
sledgespastee.org :)08:41
sledgesi like08:41
piggzhttp://paste.kde.org/p8f0225a2/08:41
sledgesoke08:42
sledgespls do under sdk:08:42
sledgesecho 5.9.68.173 repo.pub.meego.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts08:42
* sledges again pokes lbt with a large trout :D08:43
piggzsledges: thx, working now08:43
lbtsoon08:44
sledgesjust depicting that there's a nice traction building up lbt :)08:45
sledgespiggz, good stuff08:45
lbtwell, the platform SDK really needs fixing08:45
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lbtI've not had any free time recently with jolla SDK and akademy and other things08:46
sledgesyup08:47
sledgessince there's a recent collaboration between sailfish and nemo (think sailfish will run on arm devices through nemo only etc)08:47
sledgesdeveloping apps via sailfish SDK with nemo target on it looks a viable option piggz. Haven't tried myself, but lbt recommended that approach the other day08:48
lbtyes - that's a use case I want08:49
sledgeshowever that increases confusion altogether, which I'm not so keen on08:49
piggzsledges: yes, i was trying to hack something together using qtcreator and the harmattan compiler/sysroot ... but i needed nemo qt5 anyway08:49
lbtshould work on alpha - just add a target tarball for nemo and you're good08:49
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sledgeswell, in this realm i think harmattan should be left out :)08:49
lbtharmattan won't work08:49
piggzshow me where to get nemo target files, qwith qt5 and i'll try ;)08:50
piggzim following the instructions on setting up a target with sb208:50
sledgeslbt, how do we look qt5-wise ?08:51
lbtthe target defines the libraries - hmm - but the engine may need qmake from Qt508:52
lbtyou may need to manually hack on the engine repos to get a mer version and install Qt5 tools08:53
lbtnb - when hacking on this kind of thing in SDK the virtualbox snapshot facility is awesome08:53
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sledgesalong these lines as well: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5Porting#SDK_issues08:54
sledgescan't remember the name of the article on qmake-qt5, but I'm sure there was one08:54
* sledges off for a bit08:54
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piggzwow, im at risk of it actually working!09:14
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piggzcool, it compiled...now i need to learn how to rpm!09:26
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sledgesvery well09:54
sledgesI like the mb tool able to compile and package up, just by following your .spec09:54
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xavinuxHi people :)10:14
stephgmorning10:17
rcghi10:17
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sledgeshya10:20
sledges:)10:20
xavinuxvery well and you Sledges?10:22
sledgesimlrite :))10:24
xavinux:)10:28
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faenilo/10:40
faenilhey people :)10:40
sledges\o10:40
cybetteo/10:40
xavinuxo/10:41
rikaneeohai.10:48
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Netweaversledges: following up on the request to migrate contacts from Maemo to Nemo: another bug in the People application : https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69710:50
MerbotNemo bug 697 in Contacts/People "importing multi contact card vcf file only imports 1 (even broken) contact" [Normal,New]10:50
sledgesah great, so you found an import function10:51
sledgesmust not be hard to fix ;)10:51
Netweaversledges: I even make a wiki entry for it, on (my also new) migration tips ... Sadly it doesn't work (yet)10:52
sledgesgood effort10:52
Netweaversledges: yesterday when updating my nemo I got a message 2x from rpm (via zypper): 'systemd user session no running'. Could that have anything to do with the non-enabled modem and the not-automatic starting of the voicecall-ui when being called?11:03
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xavinuxhttp://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/installing-sailfish-sdk-on-ubuntu.html  Installing Sailfish SDK on Ubuntu11:42
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piggzhow do i fix this on a qt5 app?12:03
piggzCant find EGLConfig, returning null config12:04
piggzUnable to find an X11 visual which matches EGL config 012:04
piggzCould not initialize EGL12:04
piggzAborted12:04
Stskeepsyou're using X?12:04
piggzyes12:05
piggzunless you tell me wayland works ok on the n95012:06
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Aardfaenil: tumbler is now qt5 -> qt4 quillbits should not be required anymore12:18
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sledgespiggz, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland13:00
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Netweaverlbt: a small remark on the sailfish SDK on Windows ... first screen allows you freely to select a base Sailfish directory. So I did, directed it to an SSD drive for speed. All ok during install but when trying to build/run I'm getting this message : ":-1: error: Project is outside of shared home 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator'". Why give the option to move it somewhere else if it doesn't work otherwise? Bug or feature?13:03
rikaneehttp://hurrian.github.io/glacier/13:03
dm8tbrIIRC feature implemented for next version13:04
rikaneeI'll write the rest of it later, major headache atm :/13:04
rikaneeanyone, since RPMC is down, where can I install SB2 from now?13:06
lbtNetweaver: improved in next release :)  For you that only means your src must be in HOME13:07
lbtso installing to an SSD will work and help a fair bit13:07
faenilrikanee, my opinion, I'd try revolutionizing the UX paradigms13:07
faenilsomething completely new from what's out there :D13:07
rikaneefaenil: "totally different" isn't on the menu so far :(13:08
faenilI just think it'd be better to start directly with something totally new13:09
faenilinstead of transitioning to something else first :)13:09
Netweaverlbt: I was just trying out one of the build in examples. Can I still use the setup I have now or should I remove and reinstall in the default directory?13:09
faenilrikanee, not saying glacier isn't cool ;)13:09
faeniljust saying that Nemo is great because we can use it to experiment13:09
faenilso I think we should experiment :D13:09
rikaneefaenil: problem is, I've got no idea how to totally mix things up.13:09
Stskeepsrikanee: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01224.html13:09
rikaneethere are lots of things13:10
lbtNetweaver: it should work if you setup the example to somewhere in your HOME13:10
sledgesfaenil, rikanee, it's hard to think of something more, when sailfish has checked most of boxes for me: http://openetherpad.org/p/dPVWvR9t3C13:10
faenilrikanee, yeah I know I've been thinking about it for few days13:10
rikanee*there are lots of interactions we've gotten so used to and take for granted wrt touchscreen UIs13:10
faenildidn't come up with anything really worth sharing13:10
faenilsledges, :)13:11
faenilrikanee, I think we're just toy soldiers in manufacturer's hands13:11
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faenilthey decide what to make useful in UX interactions13:12
faenilI think in Nemo WE can decide how to make the things :)13:12
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sledgeswe should raise values we pursue: fastest possible navigation (in number of swipes/gestures/taps) vs. eye-candy13:12
sledgesetc13:13
Stskeepsrikanee: looks good13:13
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rikaneesledges: faster nav vs. eye candy, hands down.13:13
sledgesconcentrating on primary task vs being informed about the rest of the state13:13
rikaneeWP totally potatoes this by hiding /a lot/ of details to make the UI look nice13:13
sledgesergonomy (see my etherpad)13:13
rikaneesledges: mmm, does make us go back a few steps at the drawing board13:15
sledgeshmm "Japanese translation of the word 'emo.' .. 2. verb - to act like an emo, to act depressed" - src urban dictionary :)13:15
sledgespotatoe ^ /)13:16
sledges;)13:16
rikaneethe pulley menu is cool - it finally allows people to once again use their phones in pockets, but how do we put that into Glacier?13:16
rikaneeone of the bigger concerns I had about Sailfish was the concept of swiping and pushing everywhere.13:16
rikaneeit will start to suck if your hands get particularly wet/sweaty.13:17
rikaneecauses drags to stop midway, etc.13:17
faenilrikanee, I had this idea Jolla doesn't seem to have liked :D13:17
sledgesrikanee, if we follow faenil's suggestion to revolutionise, I think then even the values I mentioned (X vs Y) do not apply, and we need to comeback to how people use phone, and how they could use it in the future, without pain of transition. Maybe "a day made of glass" (part 1 and 2) videos could hint anything :)13:17
faenilinstead of double tap to wakeup13:17
faenilyou can do: tap + gesture (simple one, like swipe up, swipe down)13:18
faenilif you do tap + swipe up, when taking the phone out of your pocket13:18
sledgesthat's what jolla did already once: went back to the basics, to see how people use their phones, and what can be improved13:18
faenilit will bypass the lockscreen and open the browser, for example13:18
sledgesfaenil, do you call sailfish ux revolutionary? :)13:18
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faenilso that when the phone is out of your pocket you don't have to go through the lockscreen, and the browser is ready already13:19
faenildon't know if that was clear13:19
sledgesfaenil, or a camera ;)13:19
faenilsledges, or whatever. The thing is, when you take the phone out of your pocket, it's ready13:19
faenilno need to unlock, play with the lockscreen, tap on icon..13:19
rikaneeunlocking if the proximity sensor stops sensing a close distance (pocket) after some time while locked?13:20
rikaneeI'm not a fan of "smart" features though13:20
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faeniljust tap + swipeup while you're taking it out of the pocket13:20
faeniland boom13:20
faenilit's already in the browser before it meets your eyes13:20
sledgesI'd like to brainstorm elaborate faenil nice idea: swipe up to unlock is the fastest, because your phone in your pocket is upside down most of time, so you just grab your phone out, and your thumb doesn't have to be in your pocket, it just approaches the screen as your phone swipes against your thumb instead whilst being pulled out :D13:20
rikaneehmm, how about the low power screen becomes the lockscreen?13:21
sledgesso since camera boot time is longest, and most of time you'll need to take a picture asap (seeing a nice er... car! :)), swipe up vote for camera lol13:21
sledgesif i just made sense :))13:21
faenilsledges, well I think we can afford putting settings in Nemo so that user can decide which app to launch after which gesture13:22
rikaneesaw that done on Android - swipe2wake - and it's nice.13:22
sledgesi like proxmity sensor idea as well!13:22
rikaneeIIRC, it implements a new input device using the touchscreen while locked.13:22
faenilrikanee, this is not swipe2wake13:22
rikaneefaenil: the implementation will be kind-of-similar.13:22
faenilrikanee, it's different...it unlocks and launches one of your favourite apps at the same time13:23
faenilI have never seen this anywhere13:23
rikaneefaenil: well, it's more, but then we could borrow the S2W drivers from Android to save us the pain ;013:23
sledgesand in this way we can win "launch an app in your pocket" challenge against even sailfish :D13:23
faenilsledges, exactly :)13:23
rikaneeI vote that we replace the lock screen with the Low Power screen.13:23
sledgeslike cowboys :))13:24
faenilrikanee, I'm not well informed about LPM13:24
faenilbut I think it needs special hw13:24
sledgesif we have lpm, then proximity sensor wake up isn't feasible13:24
rikaneemmm, so, enable lpm on OLED devices, and use old lock screen on LCD devices?13:25
faenilrikanee, yeah, but is it worth making that distinction? :/13:25
rikaneewell.13:25
rikaneeit does introduce inconsistency between devices :/13:25
faenilyeah13:25
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sledgeswhen we have an LCD device, we'll introduce the difference :) no need to think that forward13:29
sledgesbesides, there is a config for every device13:29
sledges(defines DPI, res, orientation, so won't be a nightmare)13:29
faenilsledges, what's n950? :P13:29
faenilyeah but it would mean fragmentation13:29
sledgesthe presence of those files already implies fragmentation :)13:29
faenillet's not boost it :D13:30
sledgeskeep it to a minimum surely13:30
sledgesjust saying that infrastructure-wise it won't be a disaster, in case we have no choice13:30
faenil:)13:32
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dm8tbrbtw: are there significant changes upcoming in the middleware due to the wayland/qt5 switch?13:36
* dm8tbr still needs to look into the notification and dbus foo and stuff13:36
rikaneedm8tbr: as long as it doesn't actively depend on X, it'll be fine13:36
rikaneeit's just the display stack that'll be refreshed, everything above Qt can stay, and everything below Wayland can stay.13:37
Netweaverlbt: indeed, all is fine. now, how to convert this into a Nemo build enviroment? Care to elaborate? Or write it down?13:37
faenildm8tbr, well, most of the stuff has been converted to qt513:37
dm8tbrok, thanks13:38
faenildm8tbr, about the "significant" part: contextkit is being replaced by statefs providers13:38
dm8tbrhmm13:38
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dm8tbrfaenil: ok, so sowatch seems to use contextkit for call notifications under harmattan13:40
dm8tbrfaenil: how's that going to look in the future?13:40
faenildm8tbr, and tracker replaced by sqlite for contacts handling (and don't know what else)13:40
dm8tbrwhat, no NOSQL database in the cloud? ;D13:41
faenilno idea, if I understood correctly you can use statefs provides for contextkit plugins13:43
faenilsomething like that13:43
faenil:D13:43
faenilproviders*13:43
dm8tbrk13:43
faenilAard quickly explained yesterday, but I've never used contextkit or statefs, so I might be talking BS ;)13:45
Aarddm8tbr: software subscribes to statefs. in a transition period (until we only have native statefs-plugins) statefs is capable of loading contextkit-providers, and expose them through statefs13:46
dm8tbrok, thanks13:47
faenilAard, thanks :)13:48
sledgesAard, that's what Twitter says about your last pic tweet: "We can't show you everything!Your media display settings are set up to hide photos and videos that might contain sensitive content."13:51
sledgeshttps://twitter.com/bwachter/status/35645894537786982513:51
sledges:D13:51
sledgesi believe this photo contains exactly meat and two veggies :D13:52
cybettehaha i got the same message too13:53
Aardhaha13:53
cybetteneed to change my media display settings13:53
Aardit's not the first time that twitter thinks my pictures are unsuitable for the public13:53
faenilbbiab13:53
cybetteAard: i think you may have this setting checked "Mark my media as containing sensitive content"13:54
faenilI wasn't following Aard...13:54
cybette"If you tweet images or videos that may contain sensitive content, please check this box so that people can be warned before they see it."13:54
* faenil remedies13:54
sledgesahh, and I thought it was Twitter's automatic filtering system :D13:54
faenillol me too :D13:55
faenilbbl13:55
Aardcybette: no idea, at least I don't recall setting it :)13:55
sledgesciao13:55
cybettetwitter ain't that smart :P13:55
cybette;)13:55
sledges;D13:55
AardI wasn't surprised back then, as my personal homepage is in several contant filters as not beeing suitable for minors13:55
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Aardah, faenil needs to buy a shell14:05
sledges:)14:05
* dm8tbr can give him one for free...14:06
Aarddm8tbr: so I take his money, and you give him a shell?14:07
Aardhe might want to know that there's now a qt5 packagekit in nemo:devel:mw14:09
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piggzsledges: where do i find qml-compositor..following that guide hasnt added a repository for it14:15
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sledgespiggz, zypper in qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl-examples qt5-plugin-imageformat-jpeg qt5-plugin-platform-eglfs qt5-qtsvg-plugin-imageformat-svg14:17
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sledgesapparently this section hasn't been amalgamated properly: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland#Original_instructions14:17
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piggzsledges: unfortunately, it was less then impressive when run...ending in a segmentation fault :)14:19
piggzoh, second run didnt crash14:20
sledges8014:20
sledges8)14:20
piggzsledges: tho, still not right, i dont get the output from the wiki, and nothing displayed (unless there isnt meant to be anything displayed ofcourse)14:22
sledgescan't assist you physically my phone's broken :{14:22
sledgesw00t__, Stskeeps ^14:22
sledgesi thought rotating mer logo is the aim :)14:23
piggzyeah, i was gonna do exactly what it says on the wiki, and ask w00t14:23
sledgesyup14:23
piggzoh, hangon, i didnt reboot...14:23
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piggzthats better :)14:28
piggzand i thought rebooting was a windows thing ;)14:28
sledgesgreat success :)14:29
piggzsledges: w00t__ ok ... so, something is running, however, only a wavey-blue background is displayed, running qmlscene shows nothing, and running my own app shows some debug output but nothing on the screen14:32
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piggzhttp://paste.kde.org/pb38460d3/14:33
dm8tbrAard: sure, and in return I get _the_ jolla account? ;)14:37
sledgesi got 6 jolla accounts, just by getting "username already taken" when it wasn't : join.jolla.com14:37
sledgesno money involved so far ;)14:37
sledgesdm8tbr, I know you are talking about the _the_ one ;P14:38
AardI was gone for 10 minutes. result: http://bwachter.lart.info/chair.jpeg14:38
* sledges everybody goes --aaaaaawhhh-- 8D14:40
AardI'm now sitting at that small bit in the front. and they try to push me from the chair14:40
sledgesthat's where the staff belongs14:41
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sledgespiggz, so none of this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349969 ?14:47
piggzsledges: ive got the background, but no windows14:48
sledgesi believe those windows are the apps14:48
piggzwell, running an app shows nothing also14:48
sledgesbackground is the wayland background14:48
piggzi wonder if there is a problem with the ocmpositor:14:49
piggzfile:///usr/lib/qt5/examples/qtwayland/qml-compositor/main.qml:90: TypeError: Cannot set property 'targetWidth' of null14:49
sledgesdo you get this one    [11:29:27] <Vesuri> oh yeah, can see the qml compositor screen14:50
sledges?14:50
piggzive got just the background, and a small mouse pointer14:51
sledgesso nothing new appears when you launch QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEPTH=16 WSEGL_DEBUG=5 QT_COMPOSITOR_NEGATE_INVERTED_Y=1 ./qml-compositor -platform eglfs14:51
sledges?14:52
sledgesmeans targetWidth needs to be set14:52
piggzsledges: yep, nothing new...just a lot of debug output (as posted)14:53
sledgesyou can conventionally edit file:///usr/lib/qt5/examples/qtwayland/qml-compositor/main.qml and give a go again, no problem14:53
sledgesas much as can be of help atm im afraid14:53
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faenilback :)14:57
faenildid anything extraordinarily awesome happen in the meanwhile? :D14:57
sledgeswe traded in a shell account for you14:58
sledges(a free shell account that is)14:58
sledgescapitalism ftw14:58
faeniloh cool15:01
faenil:)15:01
dm8tbrfaenil: yeah, if you want to run irssi or somesuch in screen or tmux, I can give you a shell.15:02
Aardfaenil: new packagekit and qt5-bindings are now in nemo:mw:devel15:02
faenilmmm :)15:02
faenilAard, <3 thanks!15:03
AardI still need to do a proper configuration package (dropped the old configuration specific patches), but for what you want it should be enough15:03
faenilyeah I guess so ;)15:03
faenildm8tbr, would you mind guiding me through it?15:03
faenilI'm xchat lover :D15:04
dm8tbrlet me just have a look on which machine I can put your shell15:04
sledgesxchat on N9xx ? ;)15:07
faenilsledges, nah I only use N950 for nemo :)15:08
faenilbut yeah, got your point :P15:08
sledgesa :)15:08
sledges;)15:08
faenilif only n950 had a decent antenna...15:09
faenilit's unusable here...15:09
faeniljust unusable :)15:09
sledgesmm i'm also suffering GSM signal reception with N9..15:09
sledgesgood I'm not so often in gray spots15:10
faenilin my tests, N9 reported 95% signal when n950 (next to the n9) reported...15:10
* faenil drumrolls15:10
faenil56%15:10
faenil95 ----> 56...15:10
faenilI was like, are you F...ing kidding me?15:10
sledgesthat's crazy, because I thought N9 was rubbish (N4 next to it could pickup faintest signals strongly)15:11
faeniloh really? mmm :/15:11
sledgesbut anyway, avoiding rural areas is what helps me forget about it :))15:11
faenilI had to keep the n950 on my desk all the time so that it could get signal15:11
faenilsledges, unfortunately n950 was like that 90% of my time...so... :D15:11
sledges;)15:12
faeniljust found this http://support.criticallink.com/redmine/projects/arm9-platforms/wiki/Linux_Startup_Process_-_Systemd15:12
faenillet's see :)15:12
sledgesok :)15:12
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sledgesrikanee, would be interesting to hear qwazix opinion as well. you've done a great UI design job, but where is UX going (revolutionary/best-of-worlds or similar), somebody with e-x-perience could shed more light15:26
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faenilw00t__, how comes lipstick-colorful-home requires xorg.target?15:53
faenillipstick qt5 home sorry15:53
faenilit also requires meegotouch and bla bla bla15:54
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faenilFFS today's crash deleted the document I was working on, with packages name...argh16:16
sledgesfaenil, I ran qt5 apps on xorg16:23
faenilwhy doesn't it require wayland or somthing like that? or am I missing the picture?16:23
sledgesstill a legacy, it can run on xorg, so it remained so16:24
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faenildoes it require a change to run on wayland? or can I leave it like that?16:24
faenilI mean, this way xorg is started when lipstick starts..16:24
faenilwe don't want both xorg and wayland at the same time, do we16:24
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sledgessure, it has to go16:25
sledgesjust saying that it's normal it stayed xorg16:25
sledgeseven when mcompositor cannot do qt5, nemo didn't have immed plans when lipstick-colorful-home was qt5ised16:26
sledgesor simply forgotten16:26
sledgesso it shouldn't require xorg.target16:26
piggzif qt5 can run on xorg, why, when i ran my app did i get16:27
piggz <piggz> Could not initialize EGL16:28
piggz[12:59] <piggz> Aborted16:28
piggz[12:59] <piggz> Cant find EGLConfig, returning null config16:29
piggz[12:59] <piggz> Unable to find an X11 visual which matches EGL config 016:29
piggz[12:59]16:29
piggzoops, that should have been the other way round16:29
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faenilsledges, okay thanks16:34
sledgespiggz, I had hello world qt5 running on xorg November 2012. it errored out launching anything heavier (like qt cinematic experience ;)16:35
sledgesso to run heavier things more poking is needed16:36
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cxl000Stskeeps,  I have lipstick starting on my nexus7 from the user session using libhybris wayland. It is restarting and I need to fix the touch axis16:39
sledges:)~16:42
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Stskeepscxl000: crashes?16:44
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cxl000Stskeeps, could be due to another service failing and systemd recycling16:50
cxl000I need to remove a few more X dependancies16:51
faenildoes anyone know the current status of nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel Qt5 port?16:51
faenilthere are Qt5 rules in the .pro16:51
faenilbut the .spec still requires Qt4 stuff16:51
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: what is the goal of nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel ?16:52
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Stskeepscxl000: check journalctl16:52
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, don't know, I guess it's used in qmlfilemuncher?16:52
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause in qt 5 there is a Qt.labs folderlist model16:53
faenilyeah filemuncher and contacts16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinhum16:53
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qt-labs-folderlistmodel1-folderlistmodel.html16:53
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, actually Qt4 already has folderlistmodel16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinhum16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinyep true16:53
faenilbut it had some quirks like it didn't have the autoupdate feature16:53
faenil(IIRC)16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinlet me check16:53
Sfiet_Konstantinand we can port it if needed you know16:54
Sfiet_Konstantinno *-qt5.spec rpm file, I guess it has not been ported yet16:54
faenilbut it has Qt5 rules in its .pro16:54
faenilso someone is using that on Qt516:55
faenilrequiring Qt416:55
faenildon't know XD16:55
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: well, it might have been ported to Qt516:55
Sfiet_Konstantinbut just not packaged16:55
Sfiet_KonstantinI meant packaged16:55
faenilhttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel/commit/216d28830cb5af829d5f5cf4a7319c4800e6a0fe16:56
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm wondering if I should wait for Qt5.1 to land in mer before experimenting16:56
faenilI'll leave it out for the moment, it just needs packaging it seems16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinthe spec file in rpm folder is mussing, so it will not be built by the hook16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinyep, needs packaging16:57
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faenilnemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings isn't ported yet17:01
faenilrequired by qmlsettings17:02
cxl000Stskeeps, yes I was wading through that. Plenty of output for lipstick but not crashes. Some of its dependant units were crashing so I'll work at removing them. e.g mcompositor17:03
faenil"found 14 resolver problems, abort!" yey! :D17:05
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faenilw00t__, lipstick-qt5 asks for libQt5SystemInfo...17:25
faenilcorrect is libQt0 (at the moment)17:26
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faenilStskeeps, ^17:29
faenilI read you discussed with Sage about the same issue back in May17:29
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faenilnone online :(17:42
faenilthe .pc file in qt5-qtsysteminfo looks ok, it says to look for libqt0systeminfo17:44
faenilso I don't know why lipstick-qt5's pkgconfig(Qt5SystemInfo) points to libQt5Systeminfo... :/17:45
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faenilSage, ^17:52
faenilanyone? XD17:52
faeniltracked it down :D18:02
faenilwhere is this package?? :P https://build.merproject.org/package/binary?arch=i586&filename=qt5-qtsystems-0.0git684.fb72a05-1.5.1.src.rpm&package=qtsystems&project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel&repository=latest_i48618:02
faenilit doesn't show in the mer:qt:devel repo18:02
faenilStskeeps, there's only debugsource here http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/i486/18:06
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Stskeepsfaelooking.18:28
Stskeepsfaenil: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/src/qt5-qtsystems-0.0git684.fb72a05-1.5.1.src.rpm18:29
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faenilo/20:00
faenilStskeeps, pingie pingie20:00
Stskeeps[20:29] <Stskeeps> faenil: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/src/qt5-qtsystems-0.0git684.fb72a05-1.5.1.src.rpm20:00
faenilStskeeps, it's in src? o.O20:01
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faenilStskeeps, also, is it safe to add that repo to the .ks?20:02
Stskeepshttp://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/ specifically yes20:02
faenilalright ;)20:04
faenilStskeeps, and am I right thinking that this is the correct fix for libQt0 thingie?20:04
Stskeepslikely20:04
faenilmost likely :)20:05
faenilyey, all sorts of conflicts now as it finds double version of all Qt5 packages :)20:08
faenil(caused by the wildcard I'm using "qt5*")20:08
Stskeepsah, that's not such a good idea20:08
faenilyeah, I see why now20:09
faenilthought it would have been smart enough20:09
Stskeepssmart blows up rockets20:10
Stskeeps:P20:10
faenil:D20:10
faenilanyway, in the middle of the process of changing ISPs...20:11
faenilthank God some routers have so weak algorithms20:12
* faenil cough cough20:12
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faenildo we want -devel packages?20:18
faenilguess nope20:19
faenil(and what about -examples? )20:19
vgradehey faenil20:25
faenilheeey20:25
faenillong time no talk :)20:25
vgradejust read your mail to the list20:25
faenilhow are you :)20:25
vgradebeen v busy day job20:25
faeniloh I see20:25
vgradehows the effort going20:26
faenilvgrade, been documenting about systemd today and part of yesterday20:28
faenilnow trying to make the image boot with modified packages20:28
vgraderight ok20:29
faenilthen I'll think about replacing compositors20:29
faenilsorry trying to make the image create, I meant20:29
faenilhad some issues which are fixed in very bleeding edge packages20:29
faenillike lipstick-qt5 trying to link to libQt5SystemInfo which doesn't exist, as qt5-qtsysteminfo has libQt0SystemInfo20:30
faenilturns out there's a special qt5-qtsystems packages, which was not part of mer-core20:30
vgradeyea I remember the qt0 qt5 thing from before20:31
faenileh, wasted time :D20:31
faenilbut it's all experience20:31
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vgradeyea, I might have a nose around this weekend. Seems like I've been away for ages20:32
faenil:)20:32
faenilmmmm20:40
faenilWarning: repo problem: qt5-qtsensors-plugin-dummy-0.0~git489.e533f476-1.1.3.i486 requires qt5-qtsensors = 0.0~git489.e533f476-1.1.3, but this requirement cannot be provided, uninstallable providers: qt5-qtsensors-0.0~git489.e533f476-1.1.3.i486[mer-core]20:40
faenilis it because the "requires" isn't specified as i486??20:42
vgradeprobabably can't find that version of the package20:43
faenilwhy does it say it could uninstall it then? :/20:44
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vgradewhere are you pulling qt packages from? mer core or https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor?project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel20:46
Stskeepsnote: i just tagged 5.1.0+git packages20:47
faenilvgrade, current ks https://pastee.org/46gst20:47
Stskeepsso it'll be hardcore building now20:47
vgradeHi Stskeeps20:47
faenilStskeeps, oh :)20:48
vgradeyea, just seen that is busy20:48
faenilStskeeps, so I guess it's not a good time to build images off those repos20:48
vgradesensors is blocked20:48
Stskeepsfaenil: yeah, i'd wait overnight20:48
faenilStskeeps, pity, I have like until 3AM :/20:48
Stskeepsfaenil: well, until it's exported, it should still work20:49
Stskeepswill take a goodw hile20:49
faeniloh ok ;)20:49
faenilvgrade, any idea?20:49
vgradeso plugin-dummy does not exist at https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=qtsensors&project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel&repository=latest_i48620:52
faenilhttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/builds/i486/packages/i486/20:53
Stskeepsfaenil: what's your current %packages list?20:53
faenilStskeeps, quite a long one20:53
faenilit's also got -devel and it's still got wildcard for maliit20:54
faenilanyway, you can check the link I posted20:54
Stskeepsyou shouldn't need to install the kitchen sink20:55
faenil=20:55
faenil?20:55
Stskeepsjust lipstick-qt5, it'll pull it's dependencies automatically, plus hw adaptation (qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl) and qt5-plugin-platform-eglfs20:56
faenilbut, we agreed to get rid of qt4 packages20:57
faeniland replace middleware with qt5 ports20:57
Stskeepsright20:57
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Stskeepsstart out with a working compositor bootup and go from there20:57
Stskeepsmiddleware is addons20:58
faenilI've only got few conflicts right now20:58
faenillet me finish this first :) we're almost there20:58
Stskeepsok20:58
Stskeepsjust saying you might have to shred it eventually :P20:59
Stskeepsas it's a mess to debug20:59
faenilwell, lot's of qt5 packages are already in the pattern20:59
faeniland the rest, there's nothing really :)20:59
faenil-qt4 packages20:59
faenil+qt5 middleware20:59
faenilif you don't count the packages for qt5 libs I honestly wouldn't know how to make it shorted21:00
faenilshorter21:00
faenilwithout using a new pattern21:00
faenilif there are better ways, I'm all ears21:01
Stskeepswe'll see21:04
Stskeeps.. and what link?21:04
faenilhttps://pastee.org/46gst21:04
faenilStskeeps, I thought you were talking about that because you had already seen it xD21:04
faenilqt5-* could most likely be avoided21:05
Stskeepsyeah, looks like you'll be in a world of hurt21:09
Stskeeps:P21:09
Stskeepsa lot is right though21:09
Stskeepsqt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl and none of the others21:09
Stskeepsie, no nogl, no xcomposite21:10
Stskeeps.. no -devel21:10
Stskeeps:P21:10
faenil:)21:10
faenilmind elaborating the world of hurt? :D21:10
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Stskeepssticking to what i said before.. get to a base image with working compositor, everything else comes easily21:15
Stskeeps:P21:15
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faenilStskeeps, even if there are only 3 conflicts? :(21:19
faenilconflicts: https://pastee.org/hsdwf21:20
faenilactually "plugin-dummy" is useless so 2 conflicts :)21:22
faenilI removed "plugin-dummy" and "plugin-linuxsys"21:25
faenilno only 1 warning!21:25
faenilWarning: repo problem: pattern:nemo-x86-vm-.noarch requires pattern:nemo-complete, but this requirement cannot be provided, uninstallable providers: pattern:nemo-complete-.noarch[nemo-ux]21:25
faenilwhich doesn't even look like english to me...21:25
faeniloh now I get it, uninstallable is intended as "not installable"21:28
faenilI was reading it as "we can uninstall this one"21:28
faenil....21:28
vgrade@Nemo x86 VM is the pattern21:28
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faenilvgrade, yeah and it requires nemo:complete21:28
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faenilStskeeps, I get it, maybe I'm trying to remove packages which are in nemo:complete...and it can't accept that?21:33
faeniloh great, same error even without and modification to the packages!21:39
faenilso it's not my fault...mmm21:39
faenilvgrade, great, ks created by nemo-kickstarter-configs gives the same erorr21:42
faenilargh21:42
vgradewill have a closer look tomorrow, time for be dhere21:44
faenilvgrade, sleep well21:45
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faenilguess Stskeeps is sleeping too by now21:45
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xavinuxfaenil: hi22:32
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faenilxavinux, hey22:33
xavinuxhow are you22:34
xavinuxhave a busy day at work...22:34
faenilxavinux, I'm fine :) having fun with Nemo22:35
xavinuxgreat22:36
faeniltrying to replace the current compositor with qml wayland compositor22:36
faenilin a VM image :)22:36
rikaneemorning, guys.22:37
xavinuxsomething I can test, help you?22:37
xavinuxgood morning rikanee22:37
rikaneejust got a new disk, brb, rebooting to install22:37
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faenilxavinux, ahm no nothing to test atm22:39
faeniljust looking for a way to do it :)22:39
faenil(replace the compositor at boot)22:39
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