Friday, 2013-08-30

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Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#417 waiting for review at
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Merbotphaeron lbt sage SR#418 Rejected promotion request03:00
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qoleo help04:56
Stskeepso no qole04:56
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qolefaenil promised n950 keyboard if I came here04:57
Stskeepshe went to sleep 6 hours ago at least04:58
qolealso can I haz WiFi?04:58
Stskeeps(i don't know, haven't touched nemo for n950/n0 in ages..)04:59
qoleheh sucks to be GMT -804:59
qoleIt is my Hack Time04:59
Stskeepsyeah.. i'm getting weird hack times these days after my son was born04:59
qoleI'm IRCing from my WebOS touchpad05:00
qolevia web client, hah05:00
Stskeepsi really need to put nemo on there at some point05:01
Stskeepsit's after all where i started wayland-libhybris05:01
qoleI can't seem to do much at all on the Nemo wayland image, can't even get the keyboard working :'(05:01
specialI was discussing the keyboard with faenil. It should be possible to get working soon.05:02
qoleand I can't download anything without internet...05:02
qolesettings won't even open from the icon05:03
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specialsounds like it's living up to the "alpha"05:04
qoleheh I like the lock screen with a date of 1/1/197005:05
specialget USB and start debugging? :p05:06
qoleI'll come back another night. I want to do it all from my couch05:06
qolebye guys05:06
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gryfae ... s/he is not here07:33
fk_lxfaenil is he ;-)07:34
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gryhmm, I'm looking for a config to change what usb does (mass storage, nothing, development mode, etc) -- I suspect that after setting that to mass storage and rebooting, phone boots into black screen, and I would like to change that setting and retry07:42
gryah, I see, thanks07:44
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gry(etc/usb-moded/usb-moded.ini has usbmode 'mode=mass_storage', I've changed that to 'mode=', still doesn't boot; will flash now, I think)07:50
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specialI should sleep more often..09:02
Stskeepssleep is overrated09:02
faenila friend of mine used to sleep 2h a day in 4 naps of 30mins09:04
faenilwell, 40y old friend09:04
faenilhe did that for 2 years09:04
faenilso, it's possible o/09:05
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specialI think I'm just trying to live in too many timezones at once09:05
faenilspecial, anyway qole meant the physical keyboard, not virtual one :D09:07
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specialah, n900?09:11
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faenilspecial, n95009:12
specialoh right, those have a keyboard :p09:13
faenilstrange that N950 physical keyboard works on Nemo and not on Sailfish (tested by Aard)09:13
gryfaenil: pong :)09:17
faenilgry, hey :) are you the kernel scientist? :)09:17
gryoh, oops. barely so, I don't think I'm any good at it09:18
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faenilgry, I wanted to have some updates re that :)09:32
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grywhat contains the drivers of nemo for the devices it supports?13:03
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sledgeshardware adaptation layers (per device)13:05
sledgeslayers = repos (on OBS)13:05
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gryok, ta13:19
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toprohi, is nemo (for n9) still actively beeing worked on or has focus shifted to i.e. sailfish comletely?14:50
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Stskeepspeople are working on it actively14:52
toproI was wondering as repos seem to have not changed for about two months now14:53
Stskeepsn9 repos are fairly stable but wayland got ported14:53
toprook, i see. anyone into n9 gps issue?14:54
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faenilStskeeps, I'll be at SDC :)17:55
faenilI thought I could talk to Tizen guys there17:55
faenilqt tizer17:56
Stskeepsi think i probably owe you a cold bee17:56
faeniloh cool :D17:56
faenilI don't drink beer, but I'll make an exception :D17:56
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faenilStskeeps, I found a hostel in Krakow, 6€, breakfast included! and tea and coffee 24h!17:59
faenilI mean, how is that even possible xD17:59
Stskeepsare you sure you didn't find a bordello by accident?17:59
faenilit's also got 93% rate by reviews18:00
Stskeepsthat doesn't help your case18:00
faenilnot at all18:01
* faenil goes to check18:01
Morpog_PCwell, maybe that bordello offers awesome service? :D18:01
faenilomg, 4,67€ in this other hostel :O18:02
faenilwtf? XD18:02
fk_lxwell maybe there is cold water under the shower18:03
faenilmay be...18:03
faenilbut it's 4....4€ :O18:04
faenilmaybe I should move to Poland18:04
Morpog_PCwell, you would earn less money there :)18:05
fk_lxfaenil: get a Polish wife, like Stskeeps :-D18:05
Morpog_PCerm wait, perfect for a student :D18:05
faenilfk_lx, eh, Stskeeps ... cunning guy18:06
fk_lxfaenil: btw. I forgot you have girlfriend, so suggestion getting a Polish wife wasn't appropriate18:06
faenilok, now that I have your attention: GO CODE FOR NEMO!18:06
faenilfk_lx, I'll forgive you this time :D18:07
faenilI should get to maliit instead18:07
fk_lxthanks :-)18:07
faenilMorpog_PC, are you working on components? no excuse, or I'll track you down :P18:07
faeniland beat :P18:08
Morpog_PCfaenil, nope, just woke up a few minutes ago :)18:08
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faenilMorpog_PC, great, we need fresh minds here!18:09
Stskeepsfaenil: takes are good here18:09
faenilStskeeps, takes?18:11
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faenilah yeah I got you18:11
faenillol :D18:11
iekkuwho what where? fresh brains?18:11
iekkui could use several of those18:11
faenilwho activated iekku? :D18:12
faeniliekku, hey ma'am, how you doing :)18:12
iekkuahoy cub18:12
iekkufaenil, tired as hell all the time.18:13
faenilStskeeps, oh misunderstood then, still good :)18:14
faeniliekku, is it because of Stskeeps? I can beat him up in Katowice, just say it!18:14
iekkuStskeeps, tasty ones?18:14
iekkufaenil, no :D18:14
iekkufaenil, i hope i will be there too18:14
faeniliekku, oh btw, are you coming?18:14
faeniloh great!18:14
iekkuit's in my plans at least18:15
iekkui have been sick lately, so i hope i can come. will know in week18:15
faeniloh :( hope you recover soon18:15
faenilsick badger18:16
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* faenil clones lipstick and colorful home18:31
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faenilanyone around who can package opensans please?18:32
* faenil the wind blows..18:33
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dm8tbrno packaging to kang from some other rpm based distro?18:40
faenilthere's a starting point from opensuse18:40
faenilbut it uses its macros18:40
faenildm8tbr, and also, there are no fontconfig confs for opensans18:51
faenilnot in the official package at least (and not even on opensuse's)18:51
Stskeepsinstall into /usr/share/fonts and  /usr/bin/fc-cache in %post18:51
faenilStskeeps, that is all?18:52
faenilno confs no fontconfig?18:52
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faenilI think fontconfigs are needed, but I've never packaged a font :D19:00
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faenilto those interested:
Stskeepsfaenil: fc-cache is that19:04
faenilStskeeps, fc-cache builds the rulesets too?19:04
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Morpog_PCfaenil, there are several branches of nemo-keyboard19:15
Stskeepsfaenil: should be fine19:15
Morpog_PCand all are qt4?19:15
faenilStskeeps, then easy peasy...what about %postun ? run fc-cache again?19:15
Stskeepsi guess so19:16
faenilok ;)19:16
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Morpog_PCwell, I just clone master then :)19:20
faenilyes I think we're using master ;)19:21
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faenilin all this, I haven't started working on maliit yet xD19:26
faenilStskeeps, can I use package with tar_git?19:27
faenilor should I unpack the font first in git repo?19:27
faenilso that tar_git can compress the files?19:27
Stskeepsjust unpack the font19:29
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Morpog_PCfew, from looking at those qml files it seems this is a whole mixed mess :)19:34
fk_lxeven Jolla is mentioned19:35
Morpog_PCJolla is Platinum Sponsor there19:35
faenilJolla \o/19:36
fk_lx"Among others, guys doing Qt-related R&D from Samsung, Jolla and Ubuntu can be met in a single location!" wouldn't expect that in Samsung people blog post19:36
fk_lxnice :-)19:36
fk_lx+1 for Samsung19:36
faeniloh cool :)19:36
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fk_lxMorpog_PC: yeah I know it's Platinum Sponsor, but competition rarely mentions them19:40
Morpog_PCyep, thats true19:40
fk_lxI recall MWC discussion panel where Shuttelworth mentioned only Mozilla and lady from Mozilla mentioned Canonical and Marc Dillon mentioned both of them19:41
fk_lxI was so annoyed by that fact, that I've almost ate my LCD screen19:41
Morpog_PCyeah, they are that feared, that they try to ignore them :)19:43
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fk_lxhow was it - first they ignore, then they fight you and then you win19:48
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qwazixMorpog_PC, faenil, Hurrian
faenilqwazix, mm that's not buttonrow20:11
Morpog_PCtrying to recreate keyboard button in SVG atm20:12
faenilI like the concept ;)20:12
faenilbut it's not buttonrow20:12
Morpog_PClooks nice qwazix20:13
Morpog_PCbtw qwazix, what is demibold? sShouldn't that be semibold?20:14
faenilyeah typo20:14
Morpog_PCit's in all his so far published concepts20:14
qwazixMorpog_PC, faenil, it's no typo20:15
qwazixthat's how Qt defines semibold20:15
faenilah ok20:15
qwazixand faenil, it does the same thing as buttonRow: it allows to select one of several values20:16
qwazixjust different styling20:16
faenilnot exactly20:17
faenilyours is just exclusive20:17
qwazixyeah, but it can easily be made non exclusive20:17
* qwazix fires up inkscape20:17
* aknight likes it20:18
faenilqwazix, well if multiple selection was part of concept, then it's ok ;)20:19
faenilI like it :)20:19
qwazixIt wasn't, I forgot it completely, but that doesn't mean I can't do it now :P20:19
faenilahahah ok :p20:20
faenilI like the idea for exclusive use20:20
faenilbut not sure it fits multiple selection as well20:20
aknightmultiple selection by pinch stretching the highlight...20:20
faenilaknight, that only works if buttons you want to select are adjacent :D20:21
aknightfaenil: no, once you enlarge it, you can drag them individually ;)20:21
faenilaknight, ah well multitouch control, yes ;)20:21
faenilstarting pinch is hard from one button though20:21
faenilit's not very big (and it requires 2 fingers)20:22
aknightnah, you just need a big screen (or small fingers)20:22
faeniljust :D20:22
faenilbut yeah multiple selection with many fingers could make sense :)20:22
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qwazixI fixed it. Same link20:31
qwazix(also reminder that there are pdf's at github, you don't have to squint)20:32
Morpog_PCnice fix :)20:34
NeeDforKillhey guys20:35
NeeDforKillwhat's new?20:35
faenilworking on maliit here20:38
faenilwhile talking and watching a move :D20:38
faenilmovie :D20:38
Morpog_PCI hate inkscape :)20:40
qwazixhave you noticed that while tapping a switch does the same exact thing, and quicker, everybody likes to flip them instead?20:40
* qwazix hunts Morpog_PC with pitchforks20:40
Morpog_PCqwazix, maybe feels more natural?20:40
qwazixMorpog_PC, are you using a mac?20:41
qwazixthen you have no excuse for not liking inkscape :P20:41
faenilqwazix, I tap on switches XD20:41
Morpog_PCwell, I'm just too less experienced with it20:42
Morpog_PCbut it starts to look good20:42
qwazixfaenil, I'm hoping that this buttonrow will have the same effect, people will like to swipe it instead of tapping, and smarter people like you will still tap.20:43
qwazixMorpog_PC, now you're talking :)20:43
faenilqwazix, but I have to agree on that, that control makes me want to swipe on it :P20:43
qwazixIt's just that I believe that using photoshop for mockups is like torturing yourself. Not that photoshop isn't a fine program, but it's like using a saw to cut your stake.20:44
qwazixtool for a different job20:44
Morpog_PCreally, I feel same about inkscape :)20:44
qwazixfaenil, happy to hear it20:45
qwazixMorpog_PC, in programming and html we have objects, not layers. Abusing layers to make objects is ehm, just that.20:46
Morpog_PCwell, abusing programs is a hobby for me since ages :)20:47
qwazixanyway, enough preaching. I'm just saying try to gain some more experience in it, before dismissing it.20:49
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qwazixok, vote the next control20:49
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NeeDforKillwhat a movie?20:54
faenildon't know something they're giving on tv20:55
Morpog_PCqwazix, how do I stop inkscape anialising my edges when exporting? It even does it when exporting in same dimension as drawing :(20:56
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qwazixMorpog_PC, how are you exporting? save as... or export bitmap?20:56
Morpog_PCexport bitmap20:57
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Morpog_PCas png20:57
qwazixlet me see20:58
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NeeDforKillwhat is this?21:02
qwazixMorpog_PC, you need to snap to grid (1px) or use the spinners on the toolbar to put objects to exact px, not decimal21:02
qwazixyou can set up grids at document properties21:03
Morpog_PCah ok, see I'm such an Inkscape noob :)21:04
qwazixdespite having a couple of years experience in it this never occured to me :) mostly because I always export at double the px and scale down with css to cater for zoom and retinas, and because I rarely do bitmaps for things I can do in html21:06
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qwazixtextField and textArea
faenilcool :)21:50
faenilthe stripes on the read-only text maybe is too much?21:50
qwazixyeah, I'll tone them down a bit22:02
faenilalso, they make text reading difficult22:04
faenilyeah better22:06
faenilthough I'm not sure the stripes really convey the read-only semantic22:07
faenilit's perfect for "disabled"22:07
faenilbut in this case I'm not sure it's the best option22:07
faenilwhat do you think?22:07
qwazixIt's disabled, not read-only. I don't expect to have text usually in them22:08
qwazixfor reading we can always use labels with text selection enabled22:08
faenilwhat do you mean by disabled, in text22:09
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Morpog_PCno able to write something into22:09
qwazixjust like html disabled. can't do zilch on it22:09
qwazixreadonly is another thing22:10
Morpog_PCfaenil, so I just restyled the existing nemo VKB, you wanna try?22:10
Morpog_PConly graphics, no QML changes22:10
faenilMorpog_PC, not able to write means read-only to me22:11
Morpog_PCread only could be empty faenil22:11
Morpog_PCso first need to activate a button or anything to be able to write stuff in there22:12
Morpog_PCOh, I see on twitter you fixed maliit faenil :D22:12
faenilyou don't see black screen? :)22:12
Morpog_PCwell, at least it shows up now fine :)22:13
qwazixreadonly doesn't have very much point on mobile22:13
qwazixselecting text is a pain anyway on capacitive, so it's better to do something like  label + copy button22:14
Morpog_PCqwazix, well on readonly you can copy the text22:14
faenilon disabled as well22:14
Morpog_PCah lol22:14
faenilthey just have different colours22:14
Morpog_PCI hsould read before I write22:14
qwazixfaenil, no, on disabled you can't22:14
faenilI'm used to readonly22:14
faenilqwazix, I can do that on Chrome22:15
faenilboth on disabled and readonly22:15
qwazixpfff, Chrome22:15
Morpog_PCwell, then they don't follow standards22:15
Morpog_PCchrome is the new IE622:16
qwazixanyway, all striped controls are disabled. If we really want a readonly state we should think of something else.22:17
faenilok ;) it's okay if you there actually is a difference between disabled and readonly :P22:18
faenilwhich I wasn't aware of, I'm used to readonly22:18
Morpog_PCfaenil can you try please?
qwazixin any way disabled textFields, and as a matter of fact *any* disabled control is a bad idea on mobile except for special cases. Due to limited screen space, it's better to just hide irrelevant controls22:20
faenilMorpog_PC, don't want spoilers, I'll try that once I fix maliit :D22:20
faenilqwazix, in fact, readonly is something which you can't modify, but can copy22:21
faenilmakes sense..22:21
qwazixfaenil, yes, it makes sense. But it doesn't make sense forcing the user to select it by hand.22:22
faenilah well sure22:22
Morpog_PCfaenil, VKB needs disabled and highlight added to qml. Also maybe it's better to do them all like the function keys22:22
qwazixSo it should be something else, not a textField, let's call it copyableText and it's sole purpose is to give some text for the user to copy22:23
Morpog_PCfunction keys have 3 graphics, left/right/middle22:23
Morpog_PCnormal keys have for each size one graphic22:23
qwazixMorpog_PC, in Hurrian's mockup keys have only top border22:24
Morpog_PCyep, or like that and do button in qml22:24
Morpog_PCstill, that top border would consist of 3 parts22:24
Morpog_PCit's not just a line qwazix, look closely22:25
qwazixyeah, too tiny22:26
qwazixbut anyway, your buttons have left and right borders all the way22:27
qwazix(though it might be a maliit styling thing I don't know)22:27
faenilanyway, maliit is one step ahead, but we have to wait tomorrow to hear some expert22:28
faenillet's package the damn font22:28
Morpog_PCqwazix, did you watch the SVG's in browser? because there I see the borders too you are talking about22:32
Morpog_PCmust be a FF SVG view bug22:32
cxl000I have a number of x86_64 patches that have been accepted into the git repos. How do I get the OBS packages updated to include the fixes?22:33
qwazixMorpog_PC, yeah, that22:33
faenilcxl000, as in you made Pull Requests and they've been reviewed and merged?22:35
cxl000yes. pulled and merged22:38
faenilcxl000, then if those repos already have a webhook setup22:39
faenilyou just have to tag a new release22:39
faeniland that will automagically trigger a new build on OBS22:39
cxl000so lookup the webhook page to check it has a web hook.22:42
cxl000can anyone tag the repo?22:42
faenilcxl000, you?22:45
faenilcxl000, if you can't tell me the repo and I'll see if I can ;) (some repos are restricted)22:47
cxl000cor, statefs, statefs-contextkit. I've also got an SR for the new build dep 'tut' for cor22:51
faenildone :)22:55
faenildon't know about the SR22:55
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faenilcxl000, you should have told me the SR was a prerogative for it to build :D22:57
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qwazixtime to go. bye #nemomobile o/22:59
faenilbye qwazix o/22:59
faenilcxl000, have you checked OBS?23:00
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faenilcxl000, ....23:18
faenilMorpog_PC, you still there?23:31
faenilanyway, I packaged Google OpenSans font, have fun :)
faenilgood night people23:32
cxl000good night.23:57
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