Saturday, 2013-08-31

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cxl000sage, w00t An update to cor has introduced a new build dependency . The tut package is in nemomobile git hub. I have created a package and SR. Is that the right way or do you need create the package/webhook?00:28
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Stskeepsmorn05:27
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fk_lxStskeeps: morn06:36
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qwazixHurrian, Morpog_, faenil: the header: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=49509:17
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Morpog_qwazix, I'm not sure about the gradient to transparent09:21
qwazixI just copied hurrian's design09:22
qwazixI doesn't look good when fading to white, but it's very nice on colored backgrounds (see music player)09:22
Morpog_but what to do on bright backgrounds then?09:23
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qwazixwe don't have bright backgrounds in Glacier09:23
Morpog_well, imagine a document viewer09:23
Morpog_image viewer09:23
Morpog_browser09:24
qwazixNow if the odd music album has a white cover then bummer.09:24
qwazixbrowser won't have a header09:24
qwaziximage viewer will look good most of the times09:24
qwazixdocument viewer you have a point09:24
qwazixwe might do an exception in the case of document viewer and make a much more subtle fade (to grey instead of black)09:25
qwazixwhat do you think?09:25
Morpog_hmmm09:25
Morpog_i like consistency09:26
Morpog_oh and those buttons are huge :)09:27
Morpog_the 3 dots symbol has too less spacing09:27
Morpog_I would do all buttons with same boundaries size09:27
Morpog_so those 3 buttons would be centered09:28
Sfiet_Konstantinhey guys :)09:29
Morpog_hiya09:29
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: fade to grey for "lighter theme" is ok for me09:30
Sfiet_Konstantinbut this will make the text look slightly bad09:30
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: IMO, the 3 buttons are good09:30
Sfiet_Konstantinbut there is spacing needed for the 3-dots button09:31
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, Morpog_ http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=50109:31
Sfiet_Konstantinwe need to have not huge texts for headers, unlike (eg) WP09:31
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, yep, text is same as all other Glacier texts, just bolder09:31
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: btw, thanks for the huge efforts done for design these days09:32
Sfiet_KonstantinI like it and am ready to contribute soon09:32
Sfiet_Konstantin(trying to do a school project :))09:32
Morpog_qwazix, sure it looks great on dark and colored backgrounds09:32
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: cool09:32
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: about this gradient, is it an uniform gradient from top to bottom ?09:32
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause for white background, I'm afraid that the end of the text is not visible09:33
Morpog_looks like09:33
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat about 50% transparent at 35% of the height ?09:33
Stskeepsbtw.. you might want to work this into your designs somehow: avoid having a background that's changing09:33
Sfiet_Konstantin(non-uniform gradient)09:33
Stskeepsat higher resolutions filling the entire screen with the background, it can easily become expensive09:33
Stskeepssolid colors can be hw accelerated09:34
Morpog_stskeeps, the background nomally is solid black09:34
Morpog_normally09:34
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: don't think that it is about having an image as background here09:34
Stskeepsok, that's good09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinbut as Morpog_ said, there can be white / light background09:35
Morpog_we are just discussing cases where it isn't :)09:35
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: look at the second picture, the ~ white background isn't bad either09:35
Sfiet_Konstantin /should/ be ok09:35
Sfiet_Konstantinand if it is not, we can just change the way the gradient is rendered09:36
Morpog_i tried that on icefox browser with white, it was ugly09:36
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: screenshot ?09:36
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, your idea of non uniform gradient could work though09:36
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Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, don't have saved I think, should be somewhere in backlog :)09:36
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: would be slightly un-natural, but can work09:36
Sfiet_Konstantinor an uniform gradient starting at 80% of height09:36
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Sfiet_Konstantinand solid black from 80% to 20%09:37
Sfiet_Konstantin(of height, starting from the bottom)09:37
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Sfiet_Konstantin(just like in physics)09:37
Sfiet_Konstantin(y axis pointing upwards)09:37
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, yw09:39
qwazixyep, uniform gradient09:39
Sfiet_Konstantinaaah, so many images on play.qwazix.com/grog09:40
Sfiet_Konstantinwifi here can't stand it :D09:40
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: technical aspect, what do you think about using a shader to render the button press effect ?09:41
Sfiet_Konstantininstead of loading an image ?09:42
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, http://abload.de/img/gradient0ys45.png09:42
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, even better, but I know nothing about shaders, so I specced the easier way I could think about09:43
qwazixThe shader will be better as the glow can grow instead of just appear (smoother)09:43
Morpog_qwazix, those buttons are 50ux50u?09:43
Sfiet_Konstantin41s ping :O09:43
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: I can do some shaders :)09:44
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: ugly :O09:44
Morpog_see :)09:44
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is bad only for the second line of text09:44
qwazixMorpog_, I didn't measure them :-|09:44
Sfiet_KonstantinIMO, the header should only have one line of text09:44
Morpog_qwazix, maybe the exception should be a totally black header without gradient at all?09:44
Sfiet_Konstantinor small text (like browser title), should go upper09:45
qwazixMorpog_, Sfiet_Konstantin, we've already decided we won't do the gradient in the browser because usually pages are full of text09:45
qwazixand having text over text, even with 80% opacity hampers readability09:45
Sfiet_Konstantin(IMO)09:45
Morpog_qwazix, yes, but for other stuff like document viewer that would be good too instead of an altered gradient09:45
qwazixMorpog_, sounds ok (re: exception)09:45
Sfiet_Konstantinok09:45
Sfiet_Konstantinbut the first line (buttons, url, tabs) looks good09:46
Sfiet_Konstantinit is just about the second line (title) that is wrong09:46
qwazixMorpog_, toolbuttons are 44x44u09:46
qwazixI'll spec them seperately though09:46
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: is there any code in github for the components ?09:47
Morpog_and the 3 dots are 44x44 too?09:47
Sfiet_Konstantinwill make my N950 run nemo soon and make it ready to be hacked09:47
qwazixMorpog_, 35x809:47
qwazixthey are just an indicator, not meant to be tapped09:48
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: what indicator is it ?09:48
Morpog_why not same 44x44, but centered in it?09:48
Sfiet_Konstantin+1 for Morpog_09:48
qwazixI don't want to make it look like another button, it isn't09:48
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qwazixsee the three dots in BB10 and WP809:48
qwazixit's an indicator that more options are there if you swipe the menu down09:48
qwazixthe *header* down09:49
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: ah09:49
Morpog_but when there is no free space to drag down, the 3 dots would be a great place to drag down then09:49
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: I would have the 2 options at the same time09:49
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, +109:49
Sfiet_Konstantinor for those that don't want gestures, tap it to act like swipe down09:49
Sfiet_Konstantin(just like in WP actually)09:49
qwazixYes, no problem09:49
qwazixThe idea works as such: the dots are smaller than comfortable to tap, if you do tap them the menu should open, but if you don't want to try your accuracy, just swipe down anywhere on the header, even if it's over a button09:50
Morpog_I like the idea of those round buttons09:50
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm not a huge fan of round buttons. It is better than on WP, but I'm a bit afraid that it still makes people slightly confused09:52
Sfiet_Konstantin(refering to a study saying that the round border of WP buttons prevent people to guess the shape of the icon inside, leading to confusion)09:52
qwazixI agree with that, but I don't think it's the shape, rather than the border09:53
qwazixthat WP border is the same weight as the icon inside, same color, it looks like it's part of the image09:53
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: ah yeah09:54
Sfiet_KonstantinI personally prefer plain icons, but it is still ok I think09:54
qwazixlet me try it09:54
Morpog_I'M ok with both09:54
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: because at least you don't have a solid border around the icons09:55
qwazixbetter? http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wall4.png09:56
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: loading ... ... ... :D09:57
Sfiet_Konstantinway better09:57
Morpog_hmm, not sure :)09:58
Sfiet_KonstantinIMO the icons are really clear09:59
Sfiet_Konstantinbut you loose the fact that they are icons, and it might seems that they are somehow integrated in the header09:59
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Sfiet_Konstantinbut with a small adaptation time, it shouldn't be a problem (imo)09:59
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qwazixI think I like it a little bit better too, but I'm not strongly inclined either way10:00
qwazixAnd one with the non-linear gradient Sfiet_Konstantin proposed http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wall4.png10:05
qwazix(hard-refresh your browser - same url)10:06
qwazixbtw Morpog_, document viewer probably doesn't need a header while viewing documents10:07
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: looks correct10:07
Sfiet_Konstantinnot really shocking10:07
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: it might need one because of toolbars ?10:07
Sfiet_Konstantinboarding starting soon, bbl guys10:08
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks qwazix for time spent on design, I like all of it so far ;)10:08
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks Morpog_ as well :)10:08
Sfiet_Konstantinand everybody involved :)10:08
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, yeah, but we have to design it first, there's no point talking about it. And as it is a core app we can do some subtle design exception for it to look good, as long as we don't confuse the user10:09
qwazixand you are welcome once again10:10
qwazixI think it looks better without the circles, sorry Morpog_ :-)10:12
Hurriano hai qwazix10:13
qwazixhi Hurrian10:13
Hurrianyep, in this case, the circles are too much10:14
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Hurrianthey're minor options10:14
qwazixwhat do you think? I modified your header a bit10:14
qwazixleft aligned the text to fit some icons, and made it ultra-bold to stand a bit out of the other app texts10:14
Hurriana bit too bold for me, tried semibold?10:14
Hurrianah, and the arrow's too big - keep it about twice the size of a lowercase letter, at most10:15
qwazixok10:15
qwazixIMO semibold, doesn't stand out at all because we have the same height. Let's go middle ground and do it bold.10:18
Hurrianalright.10:19
qwazixthe same height as other texts in the app*10:19
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Hurrianbtw, the bolder the text, the less space should be between the letters10:19
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Hurrianit helps keep balance, I think10:19
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qwazixuploaded the image again, with bold and no circles around icons10:20
qwazixI agree, but I'm not sure what kind of kerning support Qt has so let's keep the default for now10:21
Hurrianalright.10:21
HurrianBTW, the gradient is too harsh10:21
Hurrianthe top shouldn't end at 100% opacity10:22
Hurrianmaybe 80-90% would do.10:22
qwazixOk10:22
qwazixfixed10:23
qwazixthough it breaks seamlessness in the menu10:27
qwazixDo you think the menu should bring the whole app down, or pull over the contents of the app?10:28
HurrianJust pull over, like Harmattan.10:28
Hurrianwait, does the menu have to be modal?10:29
Hurrianif it steals focus, it moves the whole app, but if it can still interact with the app (e.g. a photo editor), it should pull over.10:29
qwazixgood question10:30
qwazixI don't like unnecessary modality (cough, cough, Windows)10:31
Morpog_qwazix, smaller arrow looks fine, maybe the other icons a bit smaller too10:31
qwazixMorpog_, touch area should still be 50x50 so idk if the bigger spacing will look nice10:33
Morpog_sure, touch are should be 50x50 still10:33
Morpog_area10:33
qwazixand the king of unnecessary modality is *drumroll* MacOS Mail10:33
qwazixyou have to go open your webmail to check something else while replying to a mail message!10:34
Morpog_disgusting10:34
qwazixIn fact there are very, very few times where modality is actually required10:36
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qwazixmost of the times, it is just annoying (why can't I have the font dialog open in another screen and continue editing my document?) and creates inconsistency (find dialog is not modal but nobody knows it)10:37
qwazixso that brings us to a third option: do it like the vkb, and let the app rearrange itself with the menu open10:39
Morpog_could work10:42
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RzRERR: Re-partitioning failed! No partition created18:47
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NeeDforKillhey guys18:49
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faenilevening o/19:18
Stskeepsevening19:19
faenilStskeeps, anyway fyi, %_font_pkg does everything for you19:20
locusfevening19:20
faenilno need for fc-cache19:20
faenilStskeeps, not taking Martin to the cinema on Sat evening? :)19:23
faenillocusf, o/19:23
locusffaenil: \o19:23
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Stskeepsfaenil: a crying baby and cinema should be a nice combination for causing mayhem19:29
Stskeeps:P19:29
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faenilStskeeps, :D stop taking him to watch the Saw series! :P19:29
faenillocusf, any news today?19:33
locusffaenil: nothing :/19:34
faenilok19:34
locusfother than that I confirmed MSameer's report on music player working19:38
MSameerfaenil: and gallery playing videos too19:39
faenilMSameer, yeah I remember you said both music and videos were working :)19:39
MSameeryup :)19:40
MSameerlocusf: i meant you instead of faenil19:40
* MSameer needs coffee19:40
faenilah ok :)19:40
locusflol figured19:40
faenilwith maliit, I think we have a problem with alpha blending19:41
faenilbut maliit uses a fullscreen window (for many reasons) and the top part is black at the moment, while it should be transparent :)19:42
locusfok so thats the issue19:42
faenilit's the current one19:43
faenilafter adding overlay handling to qml compositor19:44
locusfok19:45
Stskeepsyou guys might want to check that the window is factually rgba888819:45
Stskeepsapitrace trace -a egl foo-app19:45
Stskeepsand apitrace dump foo-app.trace19:45
faenilStskeeps, thanks for the hint, let's see if it works on maliit-server19:47
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RzRhi19:55
RzRI am flashing moslo19:55
RzRflasher.exe -k zImage-moslo -n initrd-moslo -l -b19:55
faenilRzR, hey o/19:55
RzRand it seems stuck on the repart job19:55
RzRled id blinking19:55
faenilrepartitioning?19:56
RzRhttp://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/5/5c/13060003.jpg/500px-13060003.jpg19:56
faenilthen it's all right?19:56
RzRI am on "Do not unplug USB or poweroff the device!!!"19:56
RzRfor a couple of mins19:57
RzRdonno what to do now19:57
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faenilah ok19:57
faenilif it's just couple of mins I'd say wait some more ;)19:57
faenilI don't remember how long it should take19:57
RzRthe led is no more blinking now19:58
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RzRit's done20:00
RzRwell I am fine now :)20:00
RzRlet's relaxe20:00
faenilRzR, :)20:00
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faenilNeeDforKill, let's continue here20:20
faenilI used Pre provisioned connection from here20:20
faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking20:20
faenilhave you done that?20:20
NeeDforKillno20:20
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faenilI used the simple config without whistles20:20
faeniland it worked with WPA2 oob20:20
NeeDforKillhow i can change and  create file vim /var/lib/connman/home-wifi.config20:22
NeeDforKillonly from ubuntu?20:22
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faenilNeeDforKill, from ssh?20:27
faenilvim is a text editor20:27
faenilyou can use nano20:27
faenilor whateve20:28
faenildo "nano /var bla bla bla" via ssh20:28
faenilStskeeps, apitrace dump doesn't show anything, though there is stuff in the file (seen with cat)20:28
faenilStskeeps, fixed with --color20:30
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faenil28k of OpenGL calls...not bad XD20:33
faenilStskeeps, 21 eglGetConfigAttrib(dpy = 0x1, config = 0xb, attribute = EGL_ALPHA_SIZE, value = &8) = EGL_TRUE20:43
faenilso, it's using alpha20:46
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faenil273 glBlendFunc(sfactor = GL_ONE, dfactor = GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA)20:50
faenilok so the opengl calls look okay to me20:56
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RzRis this wanted https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=home%3Aw00t%3Abranches%3Anemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Ati%3Aomap3%3An9xx-common&repository=latest_armv7hl ?21:01
faenilRzR, why from that repo?21:01
faenilti-omap3-sgx is wanted21:01
faenilbut from official repo21:01
RzRthat's the link at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland21:02
faenilRzR, haven't you flashed nemo wayland image?21:02
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RzRno i just upgraded21:18
RzRbut i am about to test the one w/ qt521:18
faenilRzR, you mean nemo wayland21:19
RzRfhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qdd32kaqhmltosm/n950.tar.bz221:20
faenildon't know where you got that21:20
faenilis it the one locusf uploaded?21:20
RzRyes21:21
faenilthen I think the one on the guide is newer21:21
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faenilhttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Armv7hl_Development_Guide21:21
faenilif you follow the guide let me have feedback please ;)21:21
RzRsure21:21
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RzRthe image I just got is useless for now21:26
RzRi am testing yours21:27
faenilthe one on the guide is uploaded by locusf as well21:32
faenilit would take too long here21:32
faenilbut it's newer21:32
faenilbut is the image useless?21:32
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faenilwhy*21:33
RzRwell it was rude21:36
RzRthe look and feel can not compare to x11 yet21:36
faenilthe first one didn't even have icons I think :)21:37
RzRanyway let me congratz you21:37
faenilbut anyway no, nemo wayland is not comparable to nemo x11 at the moment21:37
faenilwe have multiple issues21:37
RzRthat's good to have some work ongoing on wayland21:37
RzRfew system supports it already21:38
faenilthanks :) many people helped me, I haven't been alone in this journey :)21:38
RzReven on the desktop21:38
faenilyeah, agree21:38
RzRhave to investigate on how to get e17 on wayland soon21:38
faenil:) I'v enever used it21:38
RzRI had it running in harmattan chroot21:50
RzRbut this does not count isnt it ?21:50
faenildon't know :)21:53
faenilgood night21:59
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