Monday, 2013-12-09

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sledgeslocusf pls check:
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locusfsledges: sure07:17
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vakkovgot the blinking cursor on the n900 with wayland07:31
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vakkovnow, how should i enable debugging07:31
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locusfsledges: LGTM with comments07:59
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faenilmorning o708:18
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stephgfaenil: looks painful ;)08:25
faenilstephg, soldiers! o/08:25
stephgoh yes08:25
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faenilMFaro-Tusino, hey australian08:54
MFaro-Tusinohey andrea :)08:55
MFaro-Tusinohows things?08:56
faenilgood, good :)08:57
faenilhow about over there08:57
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MFaro-Tusinonot bad - near 8pm, flashing my N9 to nemo again08:57
Sfiet_Konstantinmorning guys08:57
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: :D08:57
Sfiet_Konstantintrying the Sailfish MFaro-Tusino ? or just Nemo for fun ?08:57
smokexplaying with sailfish on my 950 atm :P08:58
MFaro-Tusinosailfish again, now I know what to do08:58
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: :D08:59
MFaro-Tusinosmokex: I can't flash my 950 yet, cause I don't want to part with Beta1 FW08:59
smokexubiboot + multiple partitions ftw08:59
MFaro-Tusinosmokex: Oh don't start me on ubiboot hahaha09:00
MFaro-TusinoSo much drama earlier in the week trying to flash it09:00
smokexI also have nitdroid09:00
smokexI didn't bother with firefox/ubuntu09:00
smokexwhere is the keyboard mapping file in sailfish/nemo?09:01
MFaro-Tusinoyou can get ubuntu on it?09:01
Sfiet_Konstantinhow's ubuntu ?09:02
smokexthe biggest problem I have with nemo/sailfish right now is that they don't handle the N950 keyboard correctly09:02
smokexespecially the function key09:02
smokexand caps09:02
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smokexI edited the key mapping files on nitdroid and got it working the same as harmatten09:03
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smokexI guess I could share the key map files if that would help anyone on nemo/sailfish09:03
MFaro-Tusinoi guess it would just be finding the mapping file09:03
smokexI'm wondering if the mapping files are device specific09:04
smokexI found some language specific files09:04
smokexbut those won't work for the keyboard without breaking the soft keys09:05
MFaro-Tusinowell if you get the nemo mapping file, it will be the same no?09:05
faenilsmokex, kind of device specific09:05
faenilI spent some time on it few months ago09:05
faenilbasically what I got to was that we need to take x11 keymappings and convert those to qmap (or whatever the format was)09:06
faenilso that evkeyboard can use those09:06
smokexwhat are the files09:07
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faenilsmokex, I don't remember at the moment, let me have a quick look09:08
MFaro-Tusinoerghhh nemo isn't booting09:08
faenilMFaro-Tusino, describe issue -> we provide help09:11
faenilsmokex, ^ there's probably all you need there about the result that you should get09:11
MFaro-Tusinofaenil: nemo does not boot :p09:11
faenilMFaro-Tusino, *not enough info* :P09:12
MFaro-Tusinomoslo enters altos booting, screen stays black and after a few moments reboots to harmattan09:12
MFaro-TusinoI am extracting tar again09:12
faenilMFaro-Tusino, aha, so it *reboots* :P09:13
smokexMFaro-Tusino: what image are you using?09:13
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smokexnemo-n950-rnd-20131205.tar.bz2 had that issue but nemo-n950-rnd-20131206.tar.bz2 worked fine09:15
smokexunless you're building yourself09:15
smokexohh :D09:15
MFaro-Tusinoill go get 2013120609:15
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faenilsmokex, can't find the x11 keymaps atm09:19
faenilsmokex, found it!09:22
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faenilsmokex, now you should have everything needed :D09:23
smokexyesss thats what I needed :P09:23
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MFaro-Tusinoi can just tar over the existing alt os right?09:25
faenilMFaro-Tusino, please rm -rf first09:26
MFaro-Tusinothats what i thought09:26
MFaro-Tusinowas just hoping i wasn't right haha09:26
faenilMFaro-Tusino, are you that lazy? :P09:26
MFaro-Tusinoshhhh, i am sick atm09:27
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faenilMFaro-Tusino, ahaha09:29
faenilwazd, o/09:29
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: format09:29
faenilsmokex, if you need more info, I'm here (not sure I recall much else though)09:30
smokexI was hoping it would all be in simple config files like its done on droid09:32
smokexdone this way we have to recompile a few files09:32
vakkov_ssh-ing to n900: vakko@'s password:09:32
vakkov_i type nemo and Permission denied, please try again.09:33
vakkov_oh, sudo ..09:33
smokexah wait.. they are simple configs09:34
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faenilsmokex, :P09:36
faenilsmokex, just a matter of converting configs from one format to the other09:36
smokexshould default to @09:36
smokex/ should default to @09:37
smokexis @ + function button09:37
smokex/ is @ + function button09:38
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faenilsmokex, I think there was a tool to convert from x11 keymaps to kmap09:38
faeniland then from kmap to qmap09:39
faenilsomething like that09:39
faenildon't remember details09:39
smokexand I just found a bug in my jpnurmi's command parser09:39
faenilbut you need something to convert the config files09:39
MFaro-TusinoFaenil: OT: Got knocked back by Nokia Aus - not qualified enough for social and digital execuetive09:39
faenilMFaro-Tusino, :D well, next time :D09:40
MFaro-Tusinotheir loss :p09:40
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smokexwonder why this keyboard show up as TWL4030 on android09:43
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faenilStskeeps, w00t ^ ( vakkov_ is trying to hack wsegl to make it work on n900)10:17
faenilvakkov_, not sure they're active right now though10:17
niqtfaenil, vakkov_  contacted  me for wayland on n900, I updated him about the problem that I had found10:20
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rantomWhat's the difference between ubiboot and modified moslo?10:39
faenilniqt, okay10:39
rantomA bit curious about this: and as far as I can tell the steps are close, if not same, as with modified moslo10:39
faenilrantom, with ubiboot you can tripleboot, not sure you can do it with moslo10:40
faeniland also, ubiboot has nice UI10:40
faenilabout technical details, I have never looked deeply into their code, so I can't say10:40
rantomfaenil: So one could just use modified moslo and loose, in this case, Nemo?10:40
faenilyes I think so10:41
rantomAlright, thanks10:41
rantomAnd there's always OCF for the N950 if it goes wrong :)10:41
faenilbut I don't know sailfish on n9 details so I don't know if they make any assumption about ubiboot being installed ;)10:42
rantom(Just wanting to try out the Sailfish on N950, not really interested to move away from modified moslo since it already works)10:42
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rantomAnd last time I tried to remove modified moslo it caused some headdesking10:43
rantomBut I'll try Sailfish with mod. moslo with the N950. Thanks again10:44
MFaro-Tusinofaenil, random, assumptions are you have a way to boot nemo10:44
MFaro-Tusinoubiboot or moslo it doesn't matter10:45
faenilalright, thanks10:45
rantomMFaro-Tusino: s/random/rantom ;) But alright, thought so too. Thanks10:45
MFaro-Tusinoerghh, bloody OS X autocorrect10:45
MFaro-Tusinoalways makes nemo memo10:45
rantomYeah, happened to me too a few times10:45
rantomPEBKAC has nothing to do with it, it's the OS's fault10:46
MFaro-Tusinoyes :p10:46
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smokexfaenil: it looks like the key mapping is correct in that config file but it isn't being loaded for some reason10:57
smokexyou have / set to default to @ in the file but it still defaults to / when pressed10:58
faenilsmokex, ? which file10:58
smokexenglish-base starts on line 96211:01
faenilsmokex, those files are not being used...we're not on x11 anymore11:02
smokexah yeah.. that patch set you pointed me to was for that file11:03
faenilsmokex, I think you misunderstood the problem :D11:03
faenilsmokex, so what did you do with the qt files I pointed you to :)11:04
smokexlet my battery run dead11:04
faenilsmokex, lol11:04
faenilsmokex, ok so let me explain again :)11:04
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faenilwe had x11 keymaps in Nemo x11 (hence SailfishX11)11:05
faenilnow we're using Wayland in Nemo, and for keyboard we're using evdevkeyboard11:06
faenilso I pointed you to evdevkeyboard Qt plugin that Nemo is probably using11:06
faenil(sourcecode of the plugin)11:06
faenilwhat you have to do, to have old x11 keymaps working on wayland, is to convert those x11 keymaps to the qt evdevkeyboard plugin format11:07
faenilonce you have converted the keymaps to the new format, you can try to use them (read the sourcecode I pointed you to, there is an env var which can include "keymap=<path>" )11:07
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smokexare there any existing evdevkeyboard plugin files lying around in the tree somewhere11:09
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faenilsmokex, yes there is an example qmap in that link iirc11:11
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smokexin this11:12
merlin1991faenil: I've got err "intresting" problems with the wayland sb2 target "sb2 -t nemo-wayland qmake -qt5" --> "Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: gui" but the .pro only has "CONFIG += debug"11:13
faenilsmokex, yes, there's a defaultmap tehre11:13
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faenilsmokex, but I guess you can look for more info on the web11:13
smokexit tells me how to make a subclass11:13
faenilmerlin1991, mmm dunno11:14
smokexso nemo doesn't have any keyboard plugins for wayland11:14
faenilsmokex, well, it has the default one, which works11:14
faenilwithout fn keys etc11:14
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smokexwhere is the default one stored at.. what's what I've been asking you :D11:14
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smokexbecause when I make my own, I want to store it in the same place11:14
faenilsmokex, told you to read the code :P11:15
smokexso its in /lib/qt5 something something something11:15
faenilsmokex, I expect there is no defaul file, because the default keymaps probably come from that h file, which could be compiled directly in the plugin11:15
faenilsmokex, but I could be wrong ;)11:15
smokexand I need to make a /usr/share/evdevkeyboard or something dir to stuck plugins in to11:16
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smokexatm the battery doesn't have enough juice for me to boot11:18
faenilsmokex, google if someone has already done keymaps for the evdevkeyboard plugin as see where they stored them :)11:18
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smokexand getting it to charge with ubiboot trying to turn it on constantly because a usb cable is plugged in... pain :D11:21
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coderusfaenil: ping11:25
faenilcoderus, yes?11:25
merlin1991so I've been following but when I try to run qmake inside the mer chroot like this "sb2 -t nemo-wayland qmake -qt5" I get "Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: gui" anybody got some ideas?11:26
coderushow can i help nemo to display n9 battery state?11:26
coderusmerlin1991: i thing gui is qt4 module name, not qt511:27
coderusmerlin1991: quick qml is qt5 names11:27
faenilcoderus, deztructor is the guy for that :)11:28
merlin1991coderus: I don't reference the module anywhere afaik11:28
faenilmerlin1991, I've always used mb to build stuff locally11:28
merlin1991faenil: don't have a ready package, this is just a dirty source -> binary approach :D11:29
coderusfaenil: so? need to wait when anybody does that?11:30
faenilcoderus, no, deztructor can point you to what is needed to get that working11:30
faenilcoderus, so that you can code/setup what's missing11:30
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coderusdeztructor: ?11:32
rantom(Got it working with modified moslo. Better off using instructions to extract from Nemo - Installing though, imo)11:34
faenilcoderus, he has already explained what's needed at least one-two times in this channel, let me see if I can find some log11:35
coderusmy sailfish srtup completely dead :D11:37
merlin1991hm QT -= gui in the .pro file made qmake run11:37
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merlin1991but I really wonder what the problem is here11:37
coderusmerlin1991: no hui module in qt511:37
merlin1991yeah but it's included by /usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/features/spec_pre.prf11:38
merlin1991and if you look at then it says that gui is included per default (and part of QT5)11:39
coderusfaenil: can you give me direct link to fingerterm rpm?11:39
faenilcoderus, you can find it on Mer OBS11:40
coderusmerlin1991: maybe i missing it with something else11:40
coderusfaenil: link please11:40
faenilcoderus, lazy :P11:40
coderustkanks ;)11:44
merlin1991coderus: I fixed it with gui, I had to install qt5-qtgui-devel to the target ...11:44
faenilcoderus, some info here, until time 11:2011:47
faenilmerlin1991, makes sense11:48
merlin1991ah shit I broke my sailfish sdk11:49
merlin1991ssh public keys don't work anymore11:49
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coderusmount vm image with loop and change authorized keys11:51
merlin1991which authorized keys file applies though?11:52
coderustorwhat are you talking about?11:52
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coderussorry wront channel11:53
merlin1991I added a /home/mersdk/.ssh/authorized keys file inside the sdk vm, but still can't ssh in11:53
coderusyou need add to mer vm11:53
coderusyou can start mer vm via vmware ui and get intercative root console11:54
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merlin1991hm that's because it's in /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u/authorized_keys11:54
deztructorcoderus: there was discussion with some guys here regarding it. maybe they are working on it11:59
deztructormaybe not11:59
MFaro-TusinoI can just flash the moslo zimage directly instead of loading it for the N9 the same with open mode correct?12:00
deztructorwhat should be basically done is to port code of bme contextkit-nemo provider and create power provider for n912:00
coderusfaenil: cant install package by same issue:
deztructorsimilar to upower one12:00
coderusMFaro-Tusino: why not to use ubiboot!?12:00
MFaro-Tusinocoderus: because I don't like it - it gave me a headache eveytime I have tried it. I was debugging for 4 hours last week because of it, use moslo method once and within 30mins, I was ready to go haha12:01
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coderusMFaro-Tusino: lol, sad story.12:04
deztructorcoderus: so, there is and bmeipc.[ch]. It can be taken and something similar to can be created. This is very easy task but it is in the end of my list so if you have ability to do it, it'd be good12:04
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smokexhm it shouldn't be gui in Qt5 it should be widgets instead12:13
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smokexnot sure why widgets would be used under nemo though12:17
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faenilcoderus, is your time on the phone correct?12:29
faeniltime *and* date12:29
faenilcoderus, and it seems deztructor gave some nice instructions there :)12:30
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coderusfaenil: sure12:32
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faenilcoderus, was that an answer to the time?12:34
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coderusfaenil: for time, yes12:36
coderusnow i'm under chroot to nemo from harmattan12:36
coderusit even not pinging12:36
faenilcoderus, ok..because the link is valid and works, so it must be some network issue12:36
faenilis your harmattan correctly connected?12:38
faenilcan you ping stuff without chroot?12:38
faenilmm :/12:38
coderuscan you ping that and show me?12:38
faenilcoderus, I have already tried downloading the file12:39
coderusping releases.jolla.com12:39
faenilping to the top domain is not important12:39
faenilit could be filtered or whatever12:40
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faenilcoderus, maybe it's just dns issue?12:43
coderusfaenil: no, resolved correctly12:45
faenilcoderus, so ping works?12:46
coderusfaenil: sure :)12:46
faenilcoderus, don't know then :/12:50
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sdjaynafaenil, codeurs: guessing but ?12:56
sdjaynai don't have anything to experiment with locally i'm afraid12:56
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MFaro-Tusinoconnection refused to telnet :/13:39
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alin_hi any news on mer running on nexus 515:27
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krnlyngwhats the 3.5 kernel status? what can a enduser expect to work and what not if it would be dropped into a running nemo installation?17:18
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krnlyngvgrade_: i saw the table, but what does that imply? what does work from the sight of a user and what doesnt?17:29
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sledgesmore nicknames for you to ping :)17:52
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krnlyngsledges: has nobody tried it or is it just too tedious?17:54
sledgeswell, from what you've read - many tried17:56
sledgesjust need to put all together and done with remaining blockers17:57
sledgesbest to ask people in question: Hurrian , filip (sadly he's not around atm)17:58
sledgesand join the team :)17:58
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krnlyngsledges: thanks18:22
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MricSedges,hey I saw that you were talking earlier about the kernel update !  I understand that it is newer version but what does it change pratically to the phone or development ?18:32
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krnlyngMric: maybe better sailfish compatibility :D18:36
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Mrickrmlyng, is that an educated guess or true ? :)18:42
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Mrickrnlyng, ?18:43
Mricqwazix, I never told you but I think you are doing an incredible job with nemo design !18:44
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qwazixthank you very much. Appreciated :-)18:44
krnlyngMric: it's what i think, so maybe18:45
krnlyngthere is a kernel module i'd like to use from the sailfish kernel18:45
krnlyngand a newer kernel version should help18:45
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Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: btw, thought about u again18:47
Sfiet_Konstantin(you know that my nightmare is "u")18:47
* sledges dims the lights18:47
Sfiet_Konstantinwe can do something nice by getting some experimental patches in mer qt 518:48
Sfiet_Konstantinsomething I don't realy want to do for now18:48
Sfiet_Konstantinor we can create a theme object like the sailfish one18:48
Sfiet_Konstantinthat provides paddingSmall/medium/large computed with "u" in mind18:48
Sfiet_Konstantinsomething easy, but temporary18:48
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat do you think ?18:49
qwazixIMO the right thing is for Qt to do this thing, but a downstream patch isn't the best solution18:49
qwazixanother idea I had was a preprocessor18:49
sledgesqwazix: Sfiet_Konstantin: whilst talking on "u", please read wazd's comments on our revolutionary svg2png_on_install idea:
sledgeshe says it would be blurry if we don't keep it to grid18:50
qwazix(find ^\d+u$ in all qml files and replace it with a number18:50
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: hum ...18:51
Sfiet_Konstantincan be interesting18:51
qwazixsledges, it will, but (a) over 200ppi you can't see that and (b) we can keep it to grid18:51
Sfiet_Konstantinbut we shouldn't allow devs to write 30u for sizes18:51
sledgesqwazix: nod :18:51
Sfiet_Konstantinshould we ? shouldn't we make the translation automatically, like write 30 => 30u18:52
qwazix(b) use snap-to-grid when designing the svg's like Morpog does18:52
Sfiet_KonstantinI like the preprocessor thing though18:52
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Sfiet_Konstantineven if, in our case, we don't even need preprocessor, it can be integrated in theme if u is eplicitely written18:52
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, that would be the perfect solution, but good luck finding all numbers that are supposed to be distances with a regex :P18:52
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: yes indeed ...18:53
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's do this right now18:53
qwazixbecause a number might be something else18:53
Sfiet_Konstantincompute in runtime u, and inject it in theme object18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinmake developers use "u" in expressions18:54
qwazixlike width: 15*u  ?18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinif Qt in mer got matured in the  cross-platform highdpi support front, then change u as 1, and scale automatically in Qt side18:54
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: yep, as a temporary solution18:54
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, does this work without namespace?18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinright now, all numbers (sizes loaded from theme) can be "u-ed" easily18:55
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Sfiet_Konstantinsince they are provided by the theme object18:55
qwazixbecause it's gonna be annoying to have to write 15*theme.u every time18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: what do you mean by namespace ?18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: I see ...18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinyes it can18:55
Sfiet_KonstantinsetContextProperty("u", 1234);18:55
qwazixduh, ofc18:55
Sfiet_Konstantinwill be back to nemo soon18:56
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause I want to hack the list items18:57
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qwazix(btw this is better than ubuntu touch solution with diu(15) as you spare a function call)18:57
qwazix(about list items)18:58
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: ??18:58
Sfiet_Konstantindiu ?18:58
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Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: I precompute u, and it is cached, so no functions call18:58
qwazixubuntu touch (IIRC) uses a function to multiply all sizes (something like our u) and they call it diu()18:58
Sfiet_Konstantinbut in the other hand, we have a V8 JS eval18:58
Sfiet_Konstantinso I don't know18:58
Sfiet_Konstantini guess it is rather the same18:59
Sfiet_Konstantinor maybe diu() in js side also crates a JS eval18:59
sledgesPSA: glacier components gallery is now launchable from .desktop and is in patterns as of today (so do `zypper ref; zypper in -t pattern nemo-apps-wayland`)18:59
Sfiet_Konstantinand calling u with contextProperty is solving a context thing, so maybe cost of an access, like reading in a QMap18:59
Sfiet_Konstantinsledges: <318:59
* sledges is still near the light switch :))19:00
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: but actually I don't know why I care about the cost of getting u or diu, it is close to nothing anyway19:01
sledgesalso, this gallery is now using 99% Open Sans (no more ugly serif font)19:01
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, I really don't know much about performance :|19:01
qwazixSfiet_Konstantin, it might be when you have complex dynamic layouts19:01
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: I know a bit. Some articles by kdab on planetkde about qml perfs were quite nice19:01
qwazixand we intend to do resizable windows if performance allows19:02
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: should be ok19:02
Sfiet_Konstantinbindings ftw19:02
Sfiet_Konstantinno bindings19:02
qwazix(faenil is pessimistic)19:02
Sfiet_Konstantinqwazix: we'll see19:02
Sfiet_Konstantinshould be ok19:02
faenilnever be optimistic when it comes to performance expense19:03
qwazixlol, correct19:03
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: go back to optimize Jolla19:03
Sfiet_Konstantinthough faenil's not wrong, but I guess that perfs problems can be elsewhere too19:04
Sfiet_Konstantinlike opengl drivers :P19:04
Sfiet_Konstantin(or calls)19:04
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, I'm still in the office, fwiw :P19:04
faenilStskeeps won't take my handcuffs off!19:04
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: :/19:05
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Stskeepsfaenil: i forgot to tell you to go home?19:07
qwazixStskeeps, we don't believe you, we know you have him chained to the keyboard19:08
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faenilqwazix, thank you Michael, finally someone who believes the poor intern19:09
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vakkovshould i use mer qt creator to build ti-omap3-sgx-wayland-wsegl20:51
merlin1991juiceme: I finished the importer
specialmerlin1991: I would guess that the segfault is because of the global groupModel/eventModel20:58
specialthey'll be destructed after QApplication20:58
vakkovor just qmake?20:59
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merlin1991special: I was suspectiong something like that21:01
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merlin1991btw special is there any specific way to nuke the messages db? rming the .db file in ~/.local/share ... requires a reboot of the emulator (probably only of the right services) in order for it to work again21:05
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specialmerlin1991: that's the best way.21:06
specialyou can delete everything with "commhistory-tool deleteAll", but services still need to be restarted before they'll behave correctly (although this shouldn't matter for the emulator)21:06
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merlin1991I've placed the models globally because I was to lazy todo it proper :D21:13
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vakkovcome ooon21:31
vakkovsb help mee21:32
merlin1991vakkov: if you just want to build something qmake is enough21:35
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vakkovmerlin1991: I want to directly build it for arm21:42
vakkovand since i just reinstalled my linux and i don't remember how i did it before :D a little help would be appreciated :D21:43
vakkovqmake only makes a MakeFile21:43
merlin1991you need a installed mersdk21:43
merlin1991with a valid sb2 target for arm21:43
merlin1991then you run qmake and make inside sb2 -> arm binary21:44
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juicememerlin1991, hi21:52
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juicememerlin1991, I'll see how it behaves on SailfishOS, let's see if it throws exceptions there :)21:53
merlin1991it's going to throw the segfault for sure21:54
merlin1991also it does create new dialogs for everything you import21:54
merlin1991so if you've got sms already those will have their own thread even if phone numbers match21:54
juicemeone thing caught my mind when I looked at the CSV format you're using... what happens if there's semicolons in a body of a SMS message? :)21:55
specialmerlin1991: is that true after a reboot?21:55
merlin1991special: yea21:55
specialwith jolla's message client, or nemo's?21:55
merlin1991special: nemo21:55
specialokay, right.21:55
specialin jolla's they'll appear together21:55
merlin1991special: I'm still waiting for my jolla (actually waiting for my tracking code)21:56
merlin1991juiceme: that's why the message is the last bit in the structure and I'm cutting it out this way:
juicememerlin1991, would it be worth while export the SMS'es I've already received on my Jolla, merge the 2 files, delete SMS'es from jolla and load up the combined SMS file?21:56
juicememerlin1991, ah yes, then it does not matter what's in the data part :)21:57
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merlin1991juiceme: at least make a backup of the db in ~/.local/share/commhistory...21:57
juicemeyes, I will :)21:58
qwazixhow is th jolla browser called? I wonder if I could install silica + browser on nemo, without installing the whole jolla UI21:58
krnlyngqwazix: sailfish-browser i think21:59
qwazixkrnlyng, thanks21:59
sledgesvakkov: use mb tool: mb build -t armv7hl_nemo_target rpm/ti-sgx-.....spec21:59
krnlyngqwazix: just checked it, yes, sailfish-browser21:59
krnlyng(thats the package name)22:00
sledgesvakkov: how to build that target:
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qwazix  uninstallable providers: jolla-ambient-0.3.20-10.33.1.jolla.noarch[jolla]22:05
qwazix Solution 1: deinstallation of nemo-theme-glacier-0.0.4-4.1.Nemo.UX.MTF.noarch22:05
qwazixwhy does glacier conflict with ambient?22:05
krnlyngqwazix: to install sailfish at this step you would choose deinstall nemo-theme-glacier :)22:05
krnlyngbut i don't know if this works for you :)22:06
qwazixcan't we think of something so that both could live at the same time?22:06
qwazixkrnlyng, I'm not trying to install sailfish22:06
krnlyngi know22:06
krnlyngyou could try breaking dependancies,... but that probably fails too22:06
sledgesbecause glacier depends on meegotouch-theme-darko ? (/me unsure)22:06
qwazixyeah, prolly22:06
qwazixsledges, krnlyng if we manage to do that, it might be very good for nemo as it will be possible to use it as daily device, albeit with some jolla closed components22:07
sledgesglacier pulls darko so the graphics set is still complete22:07
qwazixsledges, :nod:22:07
sledgesif we break this bond, newly created image wont have darko22:07
sledgesand old gallery and apps will look skeletonish22:08
sledgeswe keep darko still, whilst porting will take place of old apps to glacier qqc22:08
sledgesafter we can get rid of darko22:08
sledges(we will ;))22:08
sledgesso, don't know about solution for now.. :/22:08
qwazixso you say if I remove darko, I might be able to do what I'm trying to do?22:08
sledgesi hope22:09
sledgesiirc, this was the root of jolla theme conflict22:09
sledgesremove darko22:09
sledgesand break dep22:09
sledgesshould do ;)22:09
qwazixthx, I'll try (if I don't break the system first)22:09
sledgesno, jolla theme uses nemo-theme-default and dislikes darko22:10
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merlin1991special: does the jolla messages ui merge the actual groups, or does it just join them in display?22:10
specialmerlin1991: joined for display. It's part of the "combined instant messaging and SMS conversations" feature.22:11
sledgesi can remove darko from glacier dependencies, and add darko into patterns for now (until we finally bin darko)22:11
sledgesbut will wait for your test outcome qwazix22:11
qwazixhmm, let's see if I manage to actually run browser, and that might be useful22:11
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qwazixsledges, how do I remove sth without removing it's dependents?22:14
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sledgesthanks faenil, now I know when you appear :D22:15
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sledgesqwazix: don't know :/22:16
sledgesonly conflicts bring up the Solution * menu?22:17
* qwazix hates forum replys of the type "why would you want to do that?"22:17
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sledgesI think it's safe to gut darko out from glacier theme22:18
* sledges goes and does that22:18
Morpog_PCwe could also do it the dirty way and move everything from darko over to glacier theme22:20
qwazixnow with darko out of the way, it seems that I can install browser22:20
qwazixMorpog_PC, or just quick-dirty hack flat colors22:21
qwazixso that it looks like glacier22:21
Morpog_PCnot sure if that is worth the effort22:22
qwazixto be frank I don't know how much effort it is22:22
qwazixyay! it works22:23
qwazix(now I don't know if I reboot what'll happen)22:23
qwazixI fear I will be booted into sailfihs22:23
Morpog_PCabout 500 graphics files22:24
sledgeswrite a flood filler script?22:25
qwazixhas some graphics issues, but it works22:25
qwazixnow time to reboot22:25
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qwazixstill nemo bootscreen, so we're still good to go22:27
qwazixwe lost glacier icons22:27
sledgesqwazix: perform:22:28
sledgesConfig_Src=`/usr/bin/gconftool-2 --get-default-source`22:28
qwazixand old apps still look okay22:28
sledgesusr/bin/gconftool-2 --direct --config-source $Config_Src -g /meegotouch/theme/name22:28
qwazixas root?22:29
sledgesnormal user22:29
sledgesslash before /usr ofc..22:30
merlin1991special: I fixed the segfault by allocating the models on the heap and having the QCoreApplication as their parent, thanks for the tipp :)22:30
qwazix(gconftool-2:657): GConf-WARNING **: None of the resolved addresses are writable; saving configuration settings will not be possible22:30
sledgesqwazix: that's why no more glacier icons..22:30
sledgeswe need to introduce some hierarchy..22:30
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sledgesbut it will be a nice challenge to marry all things together22:30
specialmerlin1991: cool22:31
sledgesas in, one may want to have jolla side-by-side nemo, other cases not22:31
sledges(theme supports inheritance now fwiw)22:31
qwazixsledges, hahaha, sailfish-settings appears as a rotated window  on the top right corner of the screen22:31
qwazixand I now realize that is the cover22:32
Morpog_PCwe already have the same browser, just no UI for it22:33
qwazixMorpog_PC, true22:34
qwazixbut as long as I have a browser, and calls+sms work, I can use nemo as my main phone22:34
Morpog_PCyou are brave :)22:35
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qwazixyeah, ok, I don't know how much I'll hold. Until some alarms fail to go off22:35
merlin1991juiceme: new binary is on the original link22:35
qwazixanyway sailfish browser on nemo can't be called usable right now anyway22:35
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* Morpog_Mobile and here he is22:39
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qwazixgoing back to nemo now, without darko, to see what'll happen22:40
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sledgesqwazix: how will you do that?22:41
sledges(hint: zypper in -f nemo-theme-glacier)22:41
Morpog_MobileWouldnt`t that pull darko back?22:42
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sledgesif qwazix waits 5minutes, it wont *g*22:43
qwazixI can wait :)22:43
faenilqwazix, do alarms work? :D22:43
sledgesok, 5 minute done22:43
sledgesqwazix: zypper ref and then the one above22:44
sledgesdarko wont come back22:44
qwazixfaenil, dunno, browser is first priority :P22:44
Morpog_MobileI still wonder how sailfishbrowser could be that crippled22:44
faenilqwazix, ehhe22:44
qwazixfaenil, N810 works perfectly as bedside clock22:44
Morpog_MobileCoderus alone did a more complete ui twice22:44
qwazixMorpog_Mobile, is it that crippled?22:45
fk_lxqwazix: N810 can worked as an oversized smart watch ;-)22:45
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krnlyngit's weird22:45
krnlyngbut i've not used it yet22:45
Morpog_MobileNo landscape support says all qwazix22:45
qwazixah, true22:46
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krnlyngjust started and looked a bit22:46
EztranWell, Jolla are looking for a Browser Engineer, right?22:47
qwazixsince when doesn't nemo shut down when locked?22:47
qwazixor I still have some jolla leftovers?22:48
faenilMorpog_Mobile, believe me, you don't want to go into that world ;)22:48
faenilMorpog_Mobile, just because the UI rotates and you see things in landscape it doesn't mean things are going to work :D22:48
qwazixyay, my icons are back22:49
Morpog_Mobilefaenil: I followed embedlite development for a good while, so yes I don't :)22:49
sledgesqwazix: doesnt come to the darko side anymore? ;)22:49
Morpog_Mobilefaenil: did u try meefox on n9?22:49
faenilMorpog_Mobile, nope22:49
qwazixsledges, you are right, without darko old apps are unusable22:49
Morpog_MobileIts quite good22:50
sledgesqwazix: but now if you install darko. and later switch to jolla, jolla will tell you to remove darko i think22:50
qwazixso that means that jolla did something about it, because while I had jolla ambient installed, I could still see toolbars and stuff22:50
qwazixalso the "app in front of lockscreen"  bug is back22:50
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sledgesqwazix: cant remember it being gone :22:51
Morpog_MobileSure it was gone22:51
qwazixorly? I thought it was gone22:51
qwazixI also seem to recall somebody announcing it was gone22:52
sledgesprobably i overslept those times :) (or still had my n9 under life support only)22:52
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sledgesi think giucam fixed it, but PR not gotten accepted22:55
sledgesbut first this needs to be accepted:22:55
sledgesfaenil was the last to poke mikkoharju, unsuccessfully though22:56
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qwazixthe PoC of running sailfish apps on nemo worked, if we can stop ambient from hijacking nemo theme we could boast sailfish compatibility :P22:58
Morpog_Mobile No wonder contributors stay away :(22:58
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qwazixIt's getting late. Goodnight all!23:04
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sledgesnite qwazix23:05
sledgesyes, we'll need to mastermind a good sailfish-nemo coexistance23:05
sledgeseasily decoupleable will be most challenging23:05
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qwazixbut I think it'll help to get more people on board23:06
sledgesvalid point23:06
qwazixcya tomorrow o/23:07
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smokexare the /lib/kbd/keymaps files used by nemo23:11
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faenilsmokex, rpm -qf <file> and see which package they're part of23:17
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faenilsmokex, ?23:21
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smokexinteresting the package isn't installed but the files are present in all nemo images23:33
smokexalong with all those X11 keyboard files I mentioned yesterday23:33
vgradethis is a new one on jolla account login "Problem with finding device IMEI"23:33
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smokexah typo23:50
smokexyeah its installed23:50
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smokexhey MFaro-Tusino23:54
vgradeaudio fixed in kickstart and updated to latest OTA ,
MFaro-Tusinohey smokex23:55
MFaro-TusinoGreat news cgrade23:55
vgradetime next23:56
MFaro-TusinoWhats the time command btw?23:56
vgradeIt looks like a jolla oneshot is reading from jolla hardware RTC and as this is not there on n950 you don't get the right time23:58
vgradeneed to replace the jolla oneshot and replace with nemo functionality23:59
MFaro-Tusinoahhh okay23:59
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