Tuesday, 2013-12-10

MFaro-TusinoI want to have a chat with metacuong - anyone know who he/she is and how to get in touch, besides their personal email that they left in the Sailfish Tar that has been distributed00:00
vgradeMFaro-Tusino: was that the max image?00:01
smokexmaybe we could call the contacts they left and ask00:01
MFaro-Tusinosmokex: I'm not calling vietnam :p00:02
vgradeMFaro-Tusino: max83 on TMO00:04
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smokexwell I have all the number codes for our keys written down now00:06
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smokexaltgr should be 12500:06
smokexleft shit 4200:07
smokexwhat is sym usually for?00:07
MFaro-Tusinovgrade: yes it would appear the image i have is from Max8300:07
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smokex53 should default to @ and altgr+@ should become /00:08
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smokex97 is RCTRL00:09
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vakkovafter editing  /etc/network/interfaces for usb neworking my ubuntu waits for a couple of minutes on booting time - "Waiting up to 60s more for network configuration..."07:11
vakkovand when it finally starts i have to manually start network-manager :(07:11
vakkovthe same happens with Mint07:13
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smokexsame happens on arch/kde07:15
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faenilsmokex, writing keymappings by hand? :D07:20
smokexwell I don't have a kmap07:20
faenilsmokex, have you looked for the x11->kmap conversion tool?07:20
smokexhope it works on arch :D07:21
faenilsmokex, why, why,why, don't, you listeeeen :D07:21
* faenil sings along :D07:21
smokexlisten to waht lol07:22
smokexyou haven't really told me very much lol07:22
smokexI thought you probably wanted me to do it the hard way07:22
smokexlearn etc07:23
faenilsmokex, http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-12-09.log.html#t2013-12-09T09:05:4307:23
faenilyeah sure, if you want to do it by hand you're free ;)07:23
faenilsmokex, oh look! :D http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-12-09.log.html#t2013-12-09T09:38:5807:24
smokexwell I'm not going to write a serilaised qmap file by hand07:24
faenilgood :D07:24
smokexI'm pretty sure the kmap is plain text?07:25
smokexbut since you said there was an x11 -> kmap tool I'll just find and use that07:27
smokexchbcomp looks like07:28
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smokexoh faenil you told me this.. how did I not see that lol!07:31
* faenil whistles07:31
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MFaro-Tusinohey faenil!07:32
faenilMFaro-Tusino, o/07:32
MFaro-Tusinoany idea how sailfish settings > about gets the Manufacturer and product name>?07:33
MFaro-TusinoI know the version is from /etc/sailfish-release07:33
faenilMFaro-Tusino, no, don't know atm07:34
faenilbtw, bbl people o/ bus in a few mins07:34
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smokexactually part of this looks like a bug in the input07:37
smokexMFaro-Tusino: open the text message app and press the upper case button and do an upper case letter07:38
smokexyou'll get ?L for example07:38
smokexthe text input is getting key presses that it shouldn't and adding them to the text document07:39
smokexif you are at the end of the text and press right arrow you also get ?07:39
smokexdo you get the same?07:40
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smokexI have a feeling this stuff will need to be figured out before anyone does a keyboard other half07:42
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MFaro-TusinoNo, I get L07:45
MFaro-Tusinowait, do you mean on the N950 kbd?07:46
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MFaro-TusinoAhh - give me a few minutes to install it :p07:47
MFaro-TusinoNow I got the method perfected on N907:48
MFaro-TusinoI will need to flash it to PR 1.3 though right?07:48
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smokexmine has been flashed to PR 1.3 for 3 years lol07:49
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MFaro-Tusino3 years?07:50
smokexsounds right.. when did nokia kill harmatten07:50
MFaro-TusinoYou had PR 1.3 when before the N950 was seeded to developers07:50
smokexI got the pr 1.3 about 2 weeks after it came out on N907:50
MFaro-Tusino(N9 launched in 2011)07:50
MFaro-TusinoYeah, okay, I got it a few days later and posted it online07:51
MFaro-TusinoSo we had it the same time07:51
MFaro-TusinoI gave that N950 to a friend of mine, but my second N950 is still on Beta 1 and untouched, will need to unbox it finally :p07:51
smokexreally? I developed Qt for that long before Nokia self destructed07:52
MFaro-TusinoYes, N8 was 201007:52
MFaro-TusinoN9 got me into linux and developing in Qt07:52
MFaro-TusinoAnyway, time to go open my N95007:52
smokexI was writing a cross platform P2P app I started in 200907:52
smokexwhich still isn't finished..07:53
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MFaro-TusinoBefore I flash my N950 off Beta 1, does anybody need anything?07:58
smokexa new screen for my N950? :D07:59
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smokexI have a big black dot in the bottom right corner lol08:00
MFaro-Tusinohahah - sorry - can't do that!08:00
smokexwb faenil08:00
MFaro-Tusinoseeing as nobody wants anything, PR 1.3 N950 flash underway08:01
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sledgesMorpog_Mobile: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/pull/123 \o/08:11
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MFaro-Tusinohahah sledges08:13
sledgesgreat news to start the day :)08:15
MFaro-Tusinosmokex: few more minutes - my N950 was completely dead, so charging it enough to flash08:17
smokexthe terminal doesn't seem to have that problem08:17
MFaro-Tusinothe ?L problem?08:18
smokexall the silica based apps do though08:18
MFaro-Tusinoso then messaging key mapping is off08:18
MFaro-Tusinoyeah, finger term is memo right?08:19
sledgesvakkov: smokex: we need patch from jolla where usb always has dame mac address, and then ask nm to ignore it. for now i ssh via wifi08:19
sledges*same :$08:19
vakkovwell my only option is via usb since i am trying to get wayland to run on the n90008:21
sledgesvakkov: connman-test ?08:22
vakkovshould try that08:23
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faenilsledges, last time I tried n950 with Nemo, mac didn't change anymore08:38
sledgesvakkov: did you get my note about mb tool yesterday?08:38
faenilI wanted to show the guys, but it didn't :D08:38
sledgesfaenil: goos news, i'll try too on n908:39
sledgesgoos? :D08:39
faenilgooes :D08:40
sledgesgeez, my typing needs coffee08:40
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vakkovsledges: i set up armv7hl target but now i get some dependency errors - it needs ti-omap3-sgx-devel which is not in the repositories so i downloaded ti-omap-sgx from github and compiled it but for arm .. i guess i need it for i486 so tat i can compile ti-oamp3-sgx-wayland?09:09
MFaro-Tusinosmokex: 5 mins, just extracting vgrade image on top of
MFaro-TusinoI'll help with key mapping if you tell me what to do :)09:11
smokexwhat linux os are you on09:11
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MFaro-Tusinoubuntu vm inside OS X09:12
sledgesvakkov: driver is solely for arm, it's TI for OMAP09:12
specialvakkov: if you need a devel package for building, do: sb2 -t your_target -R -m sdk-install zypper in --force /path/to/your/ti-omap3-sgx-devel.rpm09:13
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smokexckbcomp is available on debian/ubuntu09:14
smokexbut not on my arch09:14
specialvakkov: but likely you just needed another repository. nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n9xx-common on mer OBS looks likely09:14
vakkovoh i tried that but with rpm -i ... will try later with zypper09:15
smokexits in the console-setup package09:15
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smokexah found a link I hope09:20
smokexwget http://kaufmann.no/downloads/linux/ckbcomp.gz09:20
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vakkovwhat should the command be like? zypper addrepo nemo:devel:hw:ti:omap3:n9xx-common ?09:22
sledgeszypper ar URL anyname09:23
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MFaro-Tusinoany manual way to get zypper if you don't have it?12:58
Stskeepspkcon install zypper?13:00
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MFaro-Tusinoexactly what I wanted - thanks stskeeps13:01
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vakkovi don't have an n900 at the moment but i want to test the wayland... i was thinking of qemu.. will it boot13:19
vakkovthere was a qemu for n900 "D13:20
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vakkovin the old wiki i thing13:22
vakkovthink *13:22
vakkovthere was a tutorial about qemu and x-loader but the meego wiki is now gone13:25
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vakkovlong live waybackmachine13:37
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MFaro-Tusinohow can i mount memo alt os onto harmattan again?13:39
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wazdheya all13:55
* wazd wonders why people don't make round-shaped smart watches if we already have descent round LCD modules13:56
Wizzupwazd: what is the resolution then?13:58
wazdWizzup: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/541876433/color_small_round_lcd_display_1.html13:59
wazdWizzup: for example, pretty descent IMO13:59
wazdWizzup: and it's something I've found in like 5 seconds14:01
wazdWizzup: I can only imagine what stuff LG or Samy can come up with with little effort14:01
sledgesMFaro-Tusino: mount /dev/mmcblk0p4 /mnt14:04
Wizzupwazd: how would xrandr handle it14:06
Wizzupor well, x14:06
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wazdWizzup: i'm pretty sure it's just a 320x320 screen without corners14:08
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wazdWizzup: with no fancy pixel mesh14:09
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wazdWizzup: so it will be handled just like an ordinary 320x320 screen :)14:09
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vakkovcome on guys :D is there a way to emulate nemo in qemu for n900 .. it's getting stuck14:10
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sledgesvakkov: if the problem is in ti-sgx wayland driver, how do you want to debug it without physical hardware?14:11
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vakkov.. good point :d i wanted to start it for the fun14:13
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vakkovthe problem is in a ioctl :( there's an assert that i have to make optional14:13
vakkovfor the n900 ..14:14
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sledgesvakkov: digging deep, sounds good14:15
sledgeswhere did you lose your n900? :)14:15
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vakkovit died an year and a half ago .. a week ago i used my brother's n900 and decided that i want one again D:14:16
sledgesmaybe someone in here could borrow you one?14:16
vakkovno, i will buy one (second hand)14:17
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vakkovi doubt there are new ones14:17
vakkovi need a broken n9 too (64 gb if possible)14:17
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vakkovto change the nand and the emmc of the n900 (only n9 has 1gb nand+ram chip, exclusively made for nokia)14:18
vakkovso if sb sells an n9 cheaply .. pm me :D14:19
sledgesyou want to upgrade your n900 to 64gb? ;)14:19
sledgesram timings would be compatible?14:20
sledgesvakkov: have you heard of neo900.org ?14:20
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vakkovsledges: yes, we even talked about the upgrade with one of the guys14:29
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vakkovbut neo is going to be with 2 boards14:29
vakkovand the phone is going to be thicker14:30
vakkovand this sucks because it is alredy "fat" enough :D14:30
Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#477 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/47714:30
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vakkovall that because of the big modem they are using14:30
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vakkovthe only thing  i am worried about is the nolo initialization14:31
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sledgesvakkov: i thought it will fit into old n900 case, why thicker?14:32
vakkovthey are going to use longer bolts14:33
vakkovread the TMO thread14:33
sledgesso therewill be a gap14:35
sledgesand a manifold of sorts14:35
sledges(tmo thread is miles long :D)14:35
vakkovsmth like that .. and i would just love to try upgrading it14:37
Merbotphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#477 Rejected promotion request14:38
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xavinuxHi people Sailfish SO on N9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ii7k-OYM8#t=65415:41
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sledgeslooks very performant!16:06
sledgesthat's about the optimisaion of the homescreen probably ;)16:06
sledgeswonder what about tearing16:06
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Venemoxavinux: how much of the hardware works?16:08
ncikedany links to instructions?16:09
fk_lxdo I see correctly that in newest version event feeds are when you swiping left to right from the edge?16:12
Stskeepsi hate to have to ask, but you mean glacier right?16:13
Stskeeps(too many sailfish-n950/n9 people..)16:13
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fk_lxStskeeps: hard to expect that here only Glacier will be discussed :-)16:16
fk_lxStskeeps: besides Sailfish runs on Nemo, so it's also natural place to discuss Sailfish related stuff16:16
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Venemofor sailfish, go to #sailfishos16:18
xavinuxVenemo: don`t really know it yet16:18
fk_lxVenemo: for Glacier go to #glacier? :-P16:18
sledgesi pondered about this issue too, it is beneficial and confusing at the same time: sailfish on n9 will productise nemo as well (think statefs plugins)16:18
Stskeepsi've considered a bit if we should just merge nemo middleware and mer at some point16:18
Stskeepsto avoid confusion16:19
sledgessadly, nobody speaks about sailfish-on-n9 on #sailfishos, because they discuss sailfish sdk issues and app development16:19
xavinuxsledges: you are wright...16:19
sledgesand from tweets everyone comes here, because one tweet said "to get sailfish on n9, you'll have to do it via nemomobile"16:19
xavinuxonly sailfish SDK`S is discus16:20
fk_lxsailfish os is discussed on #jollamobile ;-)16:21
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fk_lxand #sailfish is the most quited channel, like some one said for prisoneers :-)16:22
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sledges#sailfish is nowhere advertised16:33
sledges#jollamobile is discussing shipping now :D16:33
sledges#mer is quiet, but might induce more confusion imho16:33
fk_lxsledes: it's hard to define what #sailfish exactly is16:33
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tbrsledges: yes, I was putting out word on twitter in the hope of more nemo contributors16:38
tbrsledges: IMO sailfish will need to split out discussion into application side and platform porting. The latter is rather dangling and orphaned and heavily related to nemo due to middleware.16:39
tbrStskeeps might want to weigh in too16:39
merlin1991hm in the nemo message ui, wth do the numbers next a "thread" mean? after I import a lot of mesages via libcommhisotry every singe line has 1/1 there16:40
tbror we just accept defeat and declare "porting" to be happening on XDA. *chuckle*16:40
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fk_lxtbr: XDA ? aaaaaaaaa......!16:42
* fk_lx scared16:42
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sledgesPSA: #nemomobile-porters gather there ;) (Nemo/Sailfish OS on N9xx et al.) This channel is for support, Glacier UI, and middle-ware discussions18:20
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sledgestbr: could you plug logging to the new chan pls? ^18:26
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qwazixsledges, we had also started #nemomobile-design back in the day, so if UI discussions interfere too much with middleware we could also split that. It's better to have a busy channel though for now.19:13
fk_lxwhat about #nemomobile-secretorder19:16
tbrnah, that's #illuminati and #freemasons19:22
fk_lxtbr: ok19:24
fk_lxthen maybe #nemomobile-w19:24
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sledgesqwazix: agreed, as we rarely discuss middleware anyway23:31
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sledgeswhen I think of Nemo Mobile, I see an full OS interfacing its users via UX, so this channel should stay that way23:39
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sledgesjust like other massive projects have #*-root and #*-dev, we go similarly as of today23:41
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