Monday, 2019-05-20

r0kk3rzyeah but then you get these compromises that always comes with for-profit things00:12
r0kk3rzimo contributions come first, delusions of grandeur come later00:13
T4<Ponchale> @r0kk3rz [yeah but then you get these compromises that a …], I think we could make a great team just give us the chance01:09
T4<Ponchale> They could give us the opportunity and not close01:10
T4<Ponchale> https://elpais.com/economia/2019/05/19/actualidad/1558294622_546268.amp.html01:10
T4<Ponchale> The reason why we do not trust Android, sorry the news is in Spanish01:10
T4<Ponchale> Huawei will not be able to use the Google Android anymore for the ban made in the Trump administration01:11
r0kk3rzyou can do whatever you want without any foundation stuff01:12
r0kk3rzit will be interesting to see what huawei do, but all major manufacturers have a plan b for android01:14
r0kk3rznot so long ago there was things being done for sailfish in chinese market01:15
T4<Ponchale> @r0kk3rz [you can do whatever you want without any found …], We know it but the idea is not to fragment the ecosystem anymore01:17
T4<Ponchale> Something that free software has always had is that these cases where the community does not speak things somo that react or shoot without talking without knowing01:18
r0kk3rzyou dont need to fragment anything01:19
T4<Ponchale> Not been the first community leader to ask01:19
r0kk3rzyou dont have to fork it unless you want to01:19
r0kk3rzbut you seem to want to transfer the ownership of nemo to your foundation, which i dont think everyone will agree to01:20
T4<Ponchale> All have opined at the level of judging or seeing the cons none to spoken objectively01:20
T4<Ponchale> Several have said create a foundation Nemo01:21
r0kk3rzwho?01:21
T4<Ponchale> And yet the community is pronounced01:21
T4<Ponchale> @eekkelund [Me, as community member, I don't see any benef …], .....01:21
T4<Ponchale> @Ponchale [.....], Here01:21
T4<Ponchale> @DibyaXP [As long as nemo  foundation will be open and n …], Here01:22
T4<Ponchale> The same community does not think about the creation of a Nemo foundation01:23
r0kk3rzwhat would be involved with that?01:24
T4<Ponchale> And I put the example of Canonical and had long ago which responded that the paradigms of free software01:24
T4<birdzhang> @r0kk3rz [not so long ago there was things being done fo …], really? idk this is a good or bad news for us in china01:24
r0kk3rzif you want to make a structure and start contributing to nemo, you can do that01:25
r0kk3rz@birdzhang, yeah it was a while ago though, not sure if anything came of it01:25
T4<Ponchale> Thanks to the community01:26
r0kk3rz@birdzhang eg https://www.hgunified.com/home/sailfish-china-implementation-phase.html01:28
r0kk3rzthere also was huawei mer fork they did a while go, no idea whether that went anywhere either01:29
T4<Chipiguay> I think it doesn't make sense to join a foundation just for doing so05:39
r0kk3rzindeed05:40
T4<Chipiguay> Also, decision making should be something of people who actively contribute05:41
T4<Chipiguay> Not like me (:05:41
T4<neochapay> I contribute :))))05:42
r0kk3rzso what say you @neochapay ?05:42
T4<neochapay> About what?05:43
r0kk3rzthis foundation stuff05:43
T4<neochapay> I don't know...if it will attract new people - why not05:44
T4<neochapay> Ok one question what change if we create some foundation?05:45
T4<Chipiguay> This article … https://www.astian.org/es/2019/05/19/astian-se-une-mer-y-nemo-mobile/ … states in the title that Mer and Nemo Mobile join Astian, but the body just says there are conversations about the topic05:46
T4<neochapay> @Chipiguay [This article … https://www.astian.org/es/2019/05 …], Blocked in Russia :)05:47
T4<Chipiguay> My thought are that there is no point if there is no clear benefit, right?05:47
T4<Chipiguay> I can copy into a file if you want. It's in Spanish05:48
T4<Chipiguay> (Document) https://af42kgggd3mfqvgy.tor2web.io/Wz1o8djxGR.pdf05:48
T4<neochapay> @Chipiguay [I can copy into a file if you want. It's in Sp …], My English is bad my Spanish...no i not understand Spanish :)05:49
r0kk3rzwell mer wont be doing anything of the sort05:49
r0kk3rzbecause mer is now part of sailfish05:49
T4<neochapay> Not all :) on this week i make my version of mer release :)05:50
r0kk3rzneochapay-core, not mer-core :P05:52
T4<Chipiguay> Guys, how did you do in previous occasions to make a decision?05:54
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay   … No foundation or corporation crap please . … I don't believe anyone after what happened to Cyanogen . … To all Artisans people ,  … You can contribute anything you like to main code base . … Look at code aurora forum , Qualcomm contribute for free and help everyone like us without any foundation and stuff . you can still do05:56
T4nate and help nemo for free like providing hosting , maintaining relationship with companies etc  , … Don't mind I am just sceptical about your intentions . … I don't believe my own business partners and co worker's … https://github.com/nemomobilehttps://github.com/nemomobile-ux05:56
T4<DibyaXP> @r0kk3rz [neochapay-core, not mer-core :P], Best idea05:56
T4<neochapay> @r0kk3rz [neochapay-core, not mer-core :P], Mer-core neochapay edition hehe05:57
locusfhmm im gone for a month and things go pear-shape05:57
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay [Mer-core neochapay edition hehe], Sounds awesome . … Is their new GCC?05:57
T4<DibyaXP> @locusf [hmm im gone for a month and things go pear-sha …], Shakespeare's style05:58
T4<neochapay> @DibyaXP [@neochapay   … No foundation or corporation crap …], Oh...donate...hehe :) i make code for nemo over 2 years and get only 5$ donation :))))05:58
T4<neochapay> @DibyaXP [Sounds awesome . … Is their new GCC?], I have mer2 repo in obs with gcc605:59
r0kk3rzlocusf: no pears, just lots of noise to annoy neochapay06:01
T4<neochapay> hehe06:30
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T4<deedend> @Ponchale [We know it but the idea is not to fragment the …], I guess you could always work on a fork, and bring back to the main project all the contributions and improvements that you do in your version...08:27
T4<neochapay> @deedend [I guess you could always work on a fork, and b …], For fragment ecosystem we must in first create ecosystem haha08:27
r0kk3rzeh, rule #1 of open source is dont worry about fragmentation08:28
-Github[m]- https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/pull/1 : Proper closing button and black toolbar.08:29
T4<deedend> @r0kk3rz [because mer is now part of sailfish], Oh, right!08:29
T4<Ponchale> Ok community thanks10:16
T4<Ponchale> Again rejected but good10:49
T4<neochapay> @Ponchale [Again rejected but good], Reject of ?10:51
T4<akaWolf> reject of proposal to join Astian Foundation10:52
T4<toxip> Isn't Astian OS that one fork of Firefox OS? what do you guys have to do with Nemo mobile=11:05
T4<toxip> [Edit] Isn't Astian OS that one fork of Firefox OS? what do you guys have to do with Nemo mobile?11:05
T4<Ponchale> @toxip [Isn't Astian OS that one fork of Firefox OS? w …], We're thinking ahead11:10
T4<toxip> whatever that means11:11
T4<toxip> How is Astian OS anyways11:11
T4<toxip> last time I heard was when we were talking about collaboration on Halium11:11
T4<Ponchale> @toxip [last time I heard was when we were talking abo …], Yes Topias I remember you11:12
T4<toxip> you could use some communications person to translate stuff to English since it's difficult to find info about you in English11:13
T4<Ponchale> We are working to bring all information from us to English11:14
T4<Ponchale> Topias you were the leader of Halium right?11:14
T4<toxip> @eekkelund [Me, as community member, I don't see any benef …], I like the sound of Nemo foundation though :)11:19
T4<toxip> @Ponchale [Topias you were the leader of Halium right?], not really a leader but I was with them when we were setting things up11:20
T4<toxip> these days I have hardly anything to do with them11:20
T4<toxip> my contribution to halium was very little... they still use the icons I made though11:22
T4<neochapay> If somebody get money on servers and full-time programmers it will be great11:23
T4<akaWolf> ofc11:23
T4<Ponchale> @toxip [not really a leader but I was with them when w …], And what happened?11:24
T4<Ponchale> @toxip [these days I have hardly anything to do with t …], Why?11:24
T4<toxip> @Ponchale [And what happened?], well, I haven't really contributed since. I have been busy with my thesis and stuff so I don't have time for that11:25
T4<toxip> I was mainly helping them with talks with guys like you and Jolla11:25
T4<toxip> Halium has certainly made a lot of progress though11:26
T4<toxip> @Ponchale [And what happened?], I guess life happened xD11:26
T4<toxip> @neochapay [Oh...donate...hehe :) i make code for nemo ove …], where can I donate? I can donate another 5$ to you, poor guy :D11:32
T4<neochapay> https://neochapay.ru/ - "ПОДДЕРЖАТЬ МЕНЯ" ^_^11:33
T4<toxip> how do I get past the Russian hieroglyphs :D11:33
T4<neochapay> @toxip [how do I get past the Russian hieroglyphs :D], https://www.paypal.me/neochapay11:34
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay  … Your website is pain in ass because I don't know Russian . … Please give a direct link to PayPal11:34
T4<toxip> thanks :P11:34
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay [https://www.paypal.me/neochapay], Thanks11:34
T4<neochapay> @DibyaXP [@neochapay  … Your website is pain in ass becaus …], Lern russians! ^_^ Becouse Pushkin and Brodsky best guys ^_^11:35
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay [Lern russians! ^_^ Becouse Pushkin and Brodsky …], Okay command accepted11:36
T4<toxip> okay, now you can say you got 10$ in donations11:36
T4<DibyaXP> Russian sound's bit like pre  vedic Sanskrit language11:37
T4<DibyaXP> @toxip [okay, now you can say you got 10$ in donations], More is coming just wait for my co worker's11:37
T4<neochapay> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtMd6PbscwE11:37
T4<toxip> maybe should use bountysource11:37
T4<neochapay> weeeeeeee i got 5$ ^_^11:45
T4<toxip> you're welcome :D11:45
T4<neochapay> I can fill my enduro and break my arm....or leg ^_^11:46
T4<toxip> I think it'd be better if I could contribute to Nemo directly and that money could be divided based on commits/lines of code or something...11:46
T4<toxip> @neochapay [I can fill my enduro and break my arm....or le …], don't ask for more money! I didn't pay to break an arm or leg :D11:47
T4<toxip> stay safe bro :D11:47
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay [I can fill my enduro and break my arm....or le …], Hey don't harm yourself11:47
T4<toxip> will ask money back if you do 😂11:48
T4<neochapay> (Photo, 1280x563) https://af42kgggd3mfqvgy.tor2web.io/5S9azk6N7g.png11:48
T4<neochapay> https://youtu.be/fPX31sJjW8Y11:51
T4<DibyaXP> @neochapay  it looks gorgeous . … I didn't know you love biking . … Please stay safe11:55
T4<DibyaXP> Wish you with my best wishes11:55
T4<toxip> Maybe nemo should have a patreon?11:59
T4<DibyaXP> @toxip [Maybe nemo should have a patreon?], Good idea but it has many tax related stuffs11:59
T4<toxip> yeah...11:59
T4<toxip> but need to also make it independent so that same thing doesn't happen like with Solus12:00
T4<toxip> the main dev left and only he had access to that...12:02
T4<toxip> to their patreon I mean12:03
T4<DibyaXP> @toxip [but need to also make it independent so that s …], You are right12:03
locusfhttps://www.npr.org/2019/05/20/724910121/after-trump-ban-huawei-phones-will-lose-access-to-google-software12:54
locusfthanks trump for making nemo relevant again! :)))12:54
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T4<DibyaXP> @locusf [thanks trump for making nemo relevant again! : …], 😂😂😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️❤️😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😘😄15:30
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T4<DibyaXP> Currently huwei15:31
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T4<deedend> Anyone has been at the Volla community days last weekend?21:40
r0kk3rzi think nokius and eekkelund were there23:00

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